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I have just seen UnCommons, as well as UnMeta and English versions of a sub-page that presents accusations to two sysops in the Japanese version of Uncy. This type of accusation has been for some time creating friction between users as well as the reason for creating the pirate version of Mihereze and the flamewar occasioned at the request of a new Japanese dialect wiki. Well, it was to my surprise that I saw the name of Rhubella Marie involved in a comment about being sysop in UnMeta/UnCommons but being blocked in the uncyclopedia of origin by abuse of multiple accounts.

For all intents and purposes in case any user of the Desciclopédia decide to participate in this problem, that no comment on my block will be included in this conversation for clarification purposes to avoid possible unnecessary flamewars, as well as the fact that my blocking will only be for investigation of accusations of third parties not involving the Desciclopédia itself. (Para todos os efeitos caso algum usuário da Desciclopédia resolva participar desse problema, de que nenhum comentário sobre meu bloqueio será incluso nessa conversa para efeitos de exclarecimento para evitar possíveis flamewars desnecessários, assim como o fato de que meu bloqueio será apenas para averiguação de acusações de terceiros não envolvendo a Desciclopédia em si.)

The accusation in my person is addressed in this paragraph:

pt: User: Rhubella Marie - Staff who is also active in UnMeta but blocked indefinitely as a result of using multiple accounts when assuming the administration of Portuguese version.

I would like to hear clarifications from the user about this as well as two two administrators as for some time here comes news of abuse of powers and a true flamewar in the petition of new uncy presented a few months ago. In my defense, I'm stuck in Uncyclopedia because of misuse of multiple accounts as well as harassment of a user. This type of fact should not even be mentioned, but for some who love to see the circus on fire, I have to quote because if a user is blocked in his natal uncy and does administrative work in other wikis, this should not be exploited in fights or be deprecated by other users who should not even be involved in such a thing. As I recall, I suffered two desysop votes here, and neither of the two victories of my executioners was seen as rightful.

Therefore, the use of my name as well as the facts of my blocking by third parties, can not be seen as mocking, much less depreciative without reason and I demand as sysop from UnMeta / UnCommons to know the reasons for this misuse and to have become part of this a fight that has suffered for some time our Japanese sister. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,604 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 03:50, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

If there's any misunderstandings in this or this, please tell me. My information on you is solely based on these, and I'm not a Portuguese native meaning I may have misunderstandings.--Anonymous Investigator (talk) 14:56, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
And look what happened on Japanese Uncyclopedia. SHINJI has blocked me claiming to be an LTA, with Muttley claiming the same thing. And now Muttley is attacking でみ庵(Demian).--Anonymous Investigator (talk) 15:07, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
I'm also planning to investigate another Japanese admin. If I can get reasonable data, I'll post it as another subpage. Anonymous Investigator (talk) 15:13, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
  1. Being checkusers themselves, it isn't so hard for them to avoid evidence based on checkuser. Anyone knows that checkuser is not something that makes a user omnipotent. Muttley is in fact so confident that he claims himself (or themselves) be checkusered (but by who I wonder, and didn't I say that their long time inactivity through May-Nov. 2018 might have been done to avoid checkuser based evidence?). My evidence is based on what anyone can see (which are the public logs and contributions).
  2. I know Muttley has met Carlb in person in the past, but that also doesn't change the situation. Ironically, it was he himself that claims the same thing on another wiki, claiming that he can use a decoy.
  3. I'm neutral against any admins on Japanese Uncyclopedia. Since Muttley seems to be claiming ja:User:でみ庵 and ja:User:扇町グロシア are also identical (on Yourpedia and on 扇町グロシア's talk page, asking her about でみ庵), I may have an investigation on them too (when I have time).
  4. Muttley says that he could disclose all his evidences on でみ庵's talk page (but has never shown any of them so far, making it some sort of Russell's teapot). Let's just see what happens next :-p
Anonymous Investigator (talk) 00:38, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
  1. My real account is MarceloRenard2, being Rhubella Marie as sockpuppet in Uncyclopedia as well as other wikis. What happens is that the MarceloRenard2 account does not exist in UnMeta or UnCommons, so it is legal here.
  2. Muttley has already informed me of your blocking and I believe that this is an internal matter of your wiki. Meanwhile, accusations of misconduct by administrators have been spreading here for a few months on a wikis creation topic and have even yielded a very large flamewar. What I want to understand is why Carlb should be bothered by corruption problems of two sysops. Let me give you an example:
In 2009, an Desciclopédia bureaucrat was accused of manipulating users on administrative polls and was therefore not only lost administrative functions and banned from the community. What I question is, if the wiki of you have a good amount of users, why not propose the withdrawal of power of these 2 administrators?
3. Any new accusation will only be grounds for further discussion...
  1. These public records can be viewed by any administrator, but as Carlb is the webmaster of the wiki, he can also have the same privilege. I give you the same guidance as before, you must prove the reasons why I should bother Carlb about a problem that could be solved in your community.
  2. Cases like these must be proven...

Okay, apparently it seems to be based on these allegations and even though the answer given by Muttley is normal to my request for explanation on the wiki. Unfortunately this issue will be solved only by Carlb and no one else. However, I suggest that your sub-page have an English version (even if Carlb can patiently translate it) so that other administrators understand the motives of their accusations. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,604 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 03:24, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

OK, I'd like to answer your questions and points one by one.
  1. First of all, I've never said that you on unmeta or uncommons being illegal (I did say that you are an admin here, but what I pointed out was only the case on the Portuguese version). And it looks like to me that your main account on Portuguese Uncyclopedia has also been blocked, but it was just about a single example, so you may not care about it (besides, my intention is NOT on accusing you for abuse, but for investigating admins in Japan).
  2. This should be solved internally, indeed, but how can anyone do that with the post deleted within a couple of minutes (See ja:Special:Log/SHINJI: the user in question himself has deleted the page)? In fact, Muttley was once desysoped in 2011 for abuse/misuse of his permissions, but he now claims that even that was a trap set by an LTA to manipulate him and the community and also says that any users pointing out his abuse on other wikis will be suspected as abusive. These posts and pressures (including but not limited to blocking almost every account that questions about their reason and/or validity of actions) making it virtually impossible to discuss their legitimacy within the community. So my point is, I wish I could, but I can't. It's too risky taking actions there.
  3. For any further investigations, I will gather data before I post it. For now, I guess I should focus on this matter.
  4. For translating the page into English, I will try my best, but due to my business, it's not that easy.
Anonymous Investigator (talk) 04:14, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
The two accounts both claim themselves to be different persons, but that's not enough. Even if it is true, they must prove that their not meatpuppets. However, SHINJI calls administrators to act unanimously on this issue, which is a public call for meatpuppetery. By the way, I've NEVER said that the accounts are vandals. I just pointed out their sock/meatpuppetery. I wonder why SHINJI said that he was treated as a vandal by himself. Anonymous Investigator (talk) 11:49, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
Now Muttley claims that I'm an LTA.
I started my research because one of the users listed here asked me for a thorough investigation (on their blocks and the admins). The data, stats, and the technique to cloak IP/UA (with some sample fake UAs like random characters or hidden messages) were all provided by them (what I did was merely checking and formatting the given contents to suit the wiki syntax). I think the user who asked me was in fact a vandal (LTA?) after all, trapping me using the same technique. One possibility is that their real target is myself, being a trusted user on one of the world's largest wiki community (don't want to tell where it is because I want to keep myself anonymous on this issue: it may be wikimedia, now fandom wikia, or whatsoever).
However, the stats itself is IMHO a reliable dataset, and that should be investigated anyway.Anonymous Investigator (talk) 09:16, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
The data provided by them to prove their innocence was not enough (from my point of view), which I don't think I should disclose for their own sake. Anonymous Investigator (talk) 09:26, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Proposal that I know would not be well taken advantage of here but ...[edit]

After the blockade in DP, Rhubella and Marcelinha founded the anti-Desciclopédia.

Although this topic seems an offtopic I would like to know an opinion to those present. I have already witnessed in the 9 years that I have been managing both Desgalipedia and UnMeta and I have seen cases of banned users in their wikis create an alternative version to escape from the rules that apply to the original sites. Well, in the Brazilian case I believe that Malucopédia, Wikinet (not necessarily a similar site but with a different scope), Wikimerda and currently the Sarcástica Encyclopaedia (that does not participate in UnMeta) created by users dissatisfied or even banned from the Portuguese version. In my opinion, seeing the growing number of dissatisfied and the possibility that Carlb does not address this problem, why do not these users create a different site? Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,604 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 22:00, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

That we already have some, including Usopedia founded by WiiU, the fork on Miraheze founded by トーダイン, 日本さいころペディア founded by 七星, and even possibly Enpedia (founded by オレリ and now run by rxy, a Steward on WMF). But what I personally wish is the clean-up of Japanese Uncyclopedia itself, which is why I do not want to join any of the wikis listed. Anonymous Investigator (talk) 02:55, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
I don't see how Carlb could address problems in a community whose language he doesn't speak. His wiki collection would ideally be managed by a team rather than just him, for this reason and others. Llwy-ar-lawr (talk) 03:01, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
Great idea, but I wonder who can be part of the team to deal with it (in Japanese). Do you know anyone capable of it? Anonymous Investigator (talk) 03:42, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
My question is this. A serious intervention in Ansaikuropedia without understanding and therefore not being able to distinguish who belongs to which side can bring more problems than solve the question. This also does not guarantee that the opposite side in case the loser does not resolve to create the same situation here in UnMeta. At least when you remember my nine years as an administrator here at UnMeta, there has never been such a deep crisis in a community that brought users to UnMeta. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,604 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 04:11, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
Yes, this is a serious crisis. As I already said, I'm neutral, and I don't belong to any sides. What we need is a discussion with them in an open and safe place, whose results should be full disclosure of information that can prove either of our claims in a way that anyone (at least, any Japanese users on Ansaikuropedia) can understand. Anonymous Investigator (talk) 06:12, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
P.S. Muttley's understanding on your comment is that "crisis brought to UnMeta by locals has never been serious (including this one)" I don't think he is capable of understanding your comments. Anonymous Investigator (talk) 06:12, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
Or if he is capable, it's certain that he use your comments for his own propaganda. Please be careful. Anonymous Investigator (talk) 06:13, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
Both are wrong, 9 years ago there was a serious crisis brought by Desciclopédia because of a similar case. What I can do more is listen to both parts even if the conversation is minimal. As I am reporting, only Carlb can solve this case. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,604 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 06:51, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
OK, then what you say should be "this is the first serious crisis since 9 years ago," instead of "there has 'never' been such a deep crisis." I think you use machine translation to write in English, don't you? If so, it can lead to misunderstandings or/and intentional misinterpretation. If you still wish to continue using machine translation (instead of writing your sentences by yourself), I propose that you input as simple sentences as possible so that the results of the machine translation will be more accurate. Anonymous Investigator (talk) 13:20, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

To administrators with CU authority of UnMeta[edit]

I have doubts that your computer or UnMeta's server was cracked by Muttley.

I started activities with the English version of UCP over 2 years ago. At that time, the user name was "Garnot". This has already been shown. However, I already worked in the Japanese version of UCP, other name. Therefore, it was an account legitimately indicated "This is my account".

Actually, this account does not use any, nor does it misuse. There is no activity log, there is no fraudulent log in that evidence.

 

You should always see the time.

It was created at 10:19 on Thursday, November 26, 2015. It's recorded with open logs. And this account has Nothing Doing.

 

A commonsense administrators can be understood this meaning. He can NOT investigate that account.

He wrote that:

He describes as follows: This is account of vandalist for malicious work, and had been manipulate by the same person as the banned account Anonymous Investigator.

He had some SNS accounts and blogs to appeal that he was a user unrelated to vandalist.

He is currently writing two fantasy novels titled "Why I blocked of Japanese UCP" and "Outside of JAUCP He can not touch" on UnMeta. I 'd recommend that you read it by all means.

However, he seems to be losing willingness to create recently.

He ought to take the help of Anonymous Investigator :-).

See also Anonymous Investigator and Grow.

 

All this is a lie.

And watch out among this line:

  • This is account of vandalist for malicious work, and had been manipulate by the same person as the banned account Anonymous Investigator.
 

He did an indefinite block at late now on December 27, 2018 against the Japanese version of Garnot. Besides that, he made an association with a meaningless account even though the user's activity record does not exist.

This will be clear evidence of his fraud.

Therefore, you should quickly verify that your computer and UnMeta server are illegally accessed by Muttley.

If unauthorized access is found there, maliciousness of Muttley becomes faces. And if you do not find it, it is "evidence" that the content written by Muttley is clearly a lie.

 

You should understand that is Muttley were stupiding you. He is trying to make everything out by lying.

Please do not judge for reasons such as impressionism and emotion theory.

You should believe only "evidence-based published information". As you are the administrator of UnMeta, it is necessary to make a judgment fairly.

I am only show "Truly content with evidence".

Thanks.--Garnot (talk) 03:41, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Answer[edit]

Not! I would like to believe in this farce but I see only 2 users bringing a conflict that was to be solved in the wiki itself where nobody is able to know neither what happens nor even realize who in fact lies.

  1. I requested that all texts be translated into English which is the common language on this site. Thing the Anonymous did not.
  2. Despite asking Muttley himself to come and answer the charges, he refuses to send only email with the arguments of the blockades of the cited users.
  3. I will state with absolute certainty that there is no condition for a breach from a user who does not have the conditions or means to administer a website unless he has sent a virus. Which Carlb himself could discover.
  4. There was even questioning whether dissatisfied users could not take shelter in another site or even create a new site even if it is hosted in the future, as confirmed by numerous cases of Brazilian sites such as Malucopedia, Wikinet and Wikimerda. Having only one negative as an excuse for a coup on the site.

None of the administrators and implementers of CU tools have the authority to decide anything if only 2 users are editing at that time. Making a CU on any unsupported user will only give the administrator the possibility of being accused of an undue verification and this will not be accepted at UnMeta. We do allow you to use the open channel to give notice of the accusations of these administrators, but that is too far.

Unfortunately, only Carlb can judge whether these charges are true since as a web master he has the power to investigate those undue verifications that Muttley could have done. Any change without due clarification can seriously damage the credibility of that community and we can not afford it.

Another thing I forgot to mention, although neither Muttley wants to come to UnMeta to give clarification nor even Carlb is present I am sending the emails with a copy to Carlb so that he knows what is happening. And Muttley himself is aware of this and also wants Carlb to solve this case. What I ask is that you keep calm and just send what is necessary for the community to know what is wrong but I say again, I am just a sysop and I do not have the power to decide anything on the site where you can not understand your language even if you have to use a translator. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,604 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 06:46, 28 December 2018 (UTC)


  • First of all, I appreciate your reply. And I am calrm. I am sorry but this message was not for only to you. So I wrote it on a different forum. I apologized for giving misunderstandings. I am terribly sorry.
  • I tried to politely answer your replys. But it has become very long. So I split the reply. So I show only few points here:
    1. My purpose is to peel off the label of "illegitimate user" was illegally put on me by Muttley.
    2. For that, I will use my time to communicate evidence in English.
    3. By this complaint, Muttley is lying and informing you that he always do the impression operation.
    4. Please do not think this problem is easy. He is a person who raised many false charges and was once fired as a CU Administrator. And Muttley blocked fraudulently is not only me.(But others should do themselves.)
  • The full text of what I say is here. I'm not going to bother many UnMeta administrators. I will do of I can as I can. I want you(all UnMetas Admins) to see whether Muttley or me, whose is the liar. After then, Please tell me what do anymore.
  • Thanks.--Garnot (talk) 12:12, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
I have never said I won't work on translation. In fact, I have started working :-) Anonymous Investigator (talk) 14:36, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

I just want to allow the denunciation of both without problems reasons, just by declaration here there are 13 administrators with right of verification. Although I am only present, but I can not do any checking since all the records of the checks can only be analyzed by Carlb himself. I hope you understand, though.

Accusing an administrator of improper verification, I know that is something not permissible and may rather suffer loss of rights but the situation caused is very complicated because no other administrator can judge a situation overtaking Carlb. In these 9 years since I edited in UnMeta, only a crisis caused by manipulation of users in the Desciclopédia caused a long debate and nothing was solved here. That is, the site bureaucrat was blocked and expelled from the community but was not sanctioned here because it is an internal wiki problem.

From there, several problems always with the Brazilian wiki in all problematic reasons, from the possible exit of the DP to Wikia, to problems with rival wikis of the same scope, 2 votes for withdrawals from my administrative powers and changes of MediaWiki with frequent breaks server. I do not have much to be proud of when I left but if I survived those 9 years, it's a reason I grew up in the job they offered me at that time. What I want to report is: if there are serious grounds for these accusations, I will not give contrary reasons and even offered Muttley the right to defend himself but as he prefers not to give his reasons I can not give motivations if I be unfair anywhere. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,604 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 01:16, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

  • Thank you for advice etc. variously. And I found a evidence the Muttley can't excuse. It was logical and it turned out that anyone in the world could show it in a verifiable way. But it takes time to arrange and translate information for a while so I will refrain from accessing. Then Again, Thank you for the Advice!--Garnot (talk) 08:05, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Abusing the Abusefilter[edit]

Now Muttley is harassing users by tagging certain users as Anti-LTA8. He uses a user based blacklist based on his gut feels. I am very sure that those who accuse of his harassment on Ansaikuropedia will immediately be blocked. Harassment has been an international issue. You should not tolerate if the user is going this far, because clearly it's damaging our image as a whole. I strongly request you, Carlb, do something. In the meantime, I will continue working. 01:21, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

I will pass on this problem to Carlb, although I believe he has already given me a negative answer. However, there are other urgent problems and I preferred to send an email a little reporting problems in the Desciclopédia. I ask for your patience. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,604 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 03:36, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Leaking privacy[edit]

Muttley is also leaking private info gathered by CU to the public. Private information checkusers can gather are part of the information listed as personal information by WMF. Showing these information to the public without the users' consent is against the law, especially when the user is not defined as harmful nor LTA yet. I know you host your wiki on the US server. This means that they should also be responsible to follow the laws of US. You should seriously take actions, or I may have to consider filing a lawsuit in the US court. Anonymous Investigator (talk) 21:26, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

What I want to know is whether other administrators do this kind of thing or just it. I already gave several reasons for him to come here even if it is to edit as IP and I did not get an answer. I've never seen that sort of thing on any wiki. This is what the trust function of a community has. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,604 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 03:01, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Just remember[edit]

UnMeta is not an International Court of Justice, we just can't interfere on ansaikuropedia's questions. If for some reason Carl help one side or stay neutral, he will be doing this on his own, and not for any deliberation that has occurred here. ABDUL ALHAZRED Salah, Zakāh, Ramadan, Hajj 23:13, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

If you are not wrong, you are the third person to mention this. In particular, the administrator of ansaikuropedia wants this issue to end once or for all UnMeta administrators not to participate. I can not say that I would disagree with this point of view from a community that for the same reasons 10 years ago removed a bureaucrat, in this case I ask again. If the community can not solve this kind of problem why should we intervene? Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,604 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 01:49, 23 January 2019 (UTC)