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Like the topic says, I (Cartoonist) will reserve this forum page to talk in all sobriety about the current bans of myself and D. G. Neree, which I would like to see lifted. I prefer to have this discussion in public, because A: I generally don't like to have agreements behind locked (IRC-ish) doors and B: I want to have this discussion on this wiki, which is an international and (supposes to be) a neutral place. If requested from the blockers in question (ChiefJusticeDS and Olipro), I'm ready to temporarily distance myself from all my permissions to have this conversation (Roye7777777 can take over the place for a little while), so that there is nothing to fear about.

Case for Cartoonist:

  • Permabanned by ChiefJusticeDS because of a heated Wikia debate

I hereby declare that I won't waist my time anymore on spreading texts which put Wikia in the negative daylight. Still, Uncyclopedia deserves better than Wikia, but I can't change that. I say sorry to the users who I had insulted and I regret the dramatising of the whole thing. I shouldn't have done that. I want to begin a new chapter, but then I expect my honour to be re-installed. This is also for symbolic reasons: we give permissions to Uncyc admins here on UnMeta, what will we get in return? I'm justing asking for a ban lift | Cartoonist | Spit it out (talk) | E-mail | UnMeta | 23:36, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Case for D. G. Neree:

  • Permabanned by Olipro because of a dispute with some Uncyc administrators from that time.
  • DG likes to see this ban lifted for symbolic and personal reasons. Symbolic: to have back a clean relationship between nl: and en:. Personal: re-installment of his honour. Also: this ban is about a somewhat outdated matter, isn't it?

My simple opinion

" This is also for symbolic reasons: we give permissions to Uncyc admins here on UnMeta, what will we get in return?..."

~ User:CartoonistHenning

I frankly do not understand this sentence. Since when is active in Uncyclopedia users who want to position of manager? Another thing, I see users from editing Uncyclopedia walking around here is just Athyria and other from Illogicopedia way are not very comfortable with Uncy. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,503 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 23:53, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

"Humour... it is a difficult concept" -- Saavik (Star Trek II). It seems that most people that participate in humour wikis either become dictators and ban everyone else or offend a local dictator and gets banned. I've done both. Cthulhu.fhtagn (talk) 00:01, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
What differs me from other dictators is that I don't ban people because they don't share my opinion :-P Cartoonist | Spit it out (talk) | E-mail | UnMeta | 00:04, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry, what?

You were blocked because of your conduct on the (uncyclopedia-en) wiki, acting in violation of established rules. Now you continue to violate Uncyclopedia-en's rules by evading your ban when I already offered to try to get the guy to come to the IRC channel for you so you could apologise for losing your cool (or whatever it was), and would have forwarded other messages as well for the asking, and now you expect to be unbanned because some Uncyclopedians may become ops here? What has that got to do with anything? What would that change regarding your block when the original reason still stands? And per Rhubella Marie, when has either Zombiebaron's or my position on Uncyclopedia-en (and in my case, on Illogicopedia as well, indeed) and whatnot ever come into whether or not we should be opped? The thing should be, and indeed seemed to be, based on what we intend to do for this wiki.

Although if you want, I could also bring up that Zombiebaron has already twice been promised his ops back by two different 'crats and yet still not gotten them; in fact those two 'crats are the same ones as were against giving them back. What's the deal with that?

Mon, the original route still stands (apologise, and stop ignoring the rules), but you have just made things that much more difficult for yourself. Continuing to ignore a community's rules will only make things more difficult, as the goal is to promote relations, not tick people off. ~ Pointy.png 07:19, 3 December 2011

As for D. G. Neree, I'm not going to recommend unbanning anyone who so blatantly ignores so many civility guielines, especially when the original ban was for exactly that. If he wants to contact Olipro directly, again, that option remains, but he seemed disinclined to do so. ~ Pointy.png 07:27, 3 December 2011

"Now you continue to violate Uncyclopedia-en's rules by evading your ban"
~ A. on the "rules"
Ban evasion = ban evasion, agree, but I still have positive means man. Now you actually break the "rule" Assume Good Faith. I've come to Uncyclopedia (ban evading) just to spread a simple message. I haven't come to swear, I haven't come to blackmail Wikia or any other Uncyclopedia admin. If you have problem with that, then I put serious questionmarks on your democratic view which should include freedom of speach (even when it just was a simple message). You asked me to do it myself, well I'm taking the initiative (but then, I can't do anything but ban evading). And where the hell are those established rules? You keep referring to Wikimedia, but can you refer to a page on Uncyc where those rules are written down? You still keep teaching us a lesson, something which I definitely don't like. If we all gonna point to pages on Wikipedia or Wikimedia, we are sailing the wrong sea, even when I agree that much of these rules are based on Wikimedia. And that's what this wiki lacks, isn't it? Clear basic rules. Why do think I'm making a policy then? Occupational therapy? Till now, there are no rules on UnMeta, Athyria. I state the rules here, I decide how someone should behave himself (just how he wants), till the new policy has been approved.
I think I made clear I apologise (read the "I declare.." part of this page). I'm not going to repeat it.
If you want to promote relationships, you may also like to promote lifting my ban there. From the day you or Zombie becomes admin here, you do actually represent Uncyclopedia (even though BlackFlamingo is the formal representative). Every sysop here has a representing role, that's a fact and that will allways stay like that. And that's both my and DG's concern: we as community are concerned about the fact that you as community aren't willing to do any efforts to negotiate with our community. We see this as a problem, because both you and Zombie are taking this matter purely personally. Adminship on UnMeta is in no way personal | Cartoonist | Spit it out (talk) | E-mail | UnMeta | 13:58, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
If you want to apologise, follow the local rules and be sincere in your apology; this is what will make an impression, and this is what would actually get you unbanned. Contact the fellow directly. Catch him when he's on on IRC and msg him, or send him an email. Neither of these require evading your current ban. You know what you have to do, so please, do it.
As for my referring to wikimedia, I do so because what they say is good practice anywhere with a community, and indeed it is relevant to Uncyclopedia, not only because Uncyclopedia consists of a community, but also because their meta essay Don't Be a Dick is one of Uncyclopedia-en's three explicit rules. The others I linked expand upon the points of that essay, same as the local policies and guidelines on un-en - which you have continued to flout - expand upon it and the other rule(s).
Why do you say we are taking this personally? ~ Pointy.png 20:17, 3 December 2011
I have sent an e-mail to him this afternoon. I invited him to read this forum. No response yet.
I don't waste my time on messaging him on IRC when I don't know if he's online or not. I require response either here, or via e-mail.
And why do you answer in his place? You're his personal secretary? Cartoonist | Spit it out (talk) | E-mail | UnMeta | 21:02, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

My opinion

I'll have to intrude on this issue for three simple reasons that differ from everything here and allow others to judge or to express your opinion in the case. I take this question because, here I am a member of UnMeta and not a mere bureaucrat Galician Uncyclopedia.

Firstly, I am a banned user on Desciclopedia by misuse of multiple accounts but did it because I was fed up of the political situation that was happening in my home site. With my banishment, I decided to edit in Inciclopedia where I possess a good knowledge of Spanish. However, I was banned from there at the request of the administration of Wiki for comments and insults about who was the situation at the time and the administrator who banned me.

Over time, with the establishment of Desgalipedia here in UnMeta after leaving with the confidence of Wikia demonstrated, first by Cartoonist then by Carlb, and after two years, I feel that I missed in my life and I left behind Wiki and the end of 2009 that saw the administrative status is deterioava due to multiple charges of political groups that formed. In a way, today I see this as a bitter memory and I dedicate my work on unmet in devotion to that time. However, here I have my duties, my duties and that, even if I contrary, I have to leave work to see not only the unmet strengthened as each of the sites that the family home to our friends and even administrators and users of the sites belonging Wikia.

Yes, if for the sake of UnMeta do not believe that circumvent a ban to ask the administrator to remove the same to establish conversations between the site and UnMeta. But there are other safe means for this. Unfortunately, many users of these Wikia communities do not see the UnMeta as a legal representative and remains closed to any attempt to open your eyes to the truth. This also happens with Inciclopedia, I might as well ask Rataube (bureaucrat site and blocked me) on behalf of unmet remove my ban and engage in talks, however, the inciclopedica community too close to events that occur outside their domains . One thing is to remove my ban and other accept the community is something coming here. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,503 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 20:35, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

My 2 ct's: Wiki's are the same as countries; Respect the local rules or don't go to the country (Wiki). If you go to Iran and talk about their lack of human rights you will be put in jail or worse, then you have nothing to demand. Same applies here. You're maybe not guilty by your own standards but your standards are not leading in this case. Wkr, Alzheimlich (talk) 23:12, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
I agree, this kind of matter can be resolved as follows: the user in question (do not quote names) try contacting an administrator who locked it and apologize. This is easy to ask if it is begging on my knees. Rhubella selo-02.pngRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,503 preppieditsRhubella selo-01.png 12:01, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Update for Cartoonist

Update for me... Hey, I already know I'm speaking for myself, stop repeating me. Stop - it -! */me slaps myself*

I apologised in a reply on an e-mail to ChiefjusticeDS and my ban is lifted. I can absolutely live with the restrictions that are put on me on en:UN:OFFICE and I begin a new chapter with Uncyclopedia. Unfortunately for DG, I can't help his ban | Cartoonist | Spit it out (talk) | E-mail | UnMeta | 19:58, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Excellent. Well done. ~ Pointy.png 21:52, 4 December 2011
Civility always wins.. Wkr, Alzheimlich (talk) 21:53, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
Welcome back man. /grows closer --Black Flamingo 23:04, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
Hello and welcome back. ~Sir Frosty (Talk to me!) 05:42, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 :-) Cartoonist | Spit it out (talk) | E-mail | UnMeta | 09:24, 6 December 2011 (UTC)