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Background

I will try to make this coherent but I'm not the best at writing coherently so you may have a hard time making sense of it. Consider yourself warned.

There is a certain user, known across various uncyclomedia projects as Kate [1] [2], Alicia Keys [1] [1] [2], Boobnoob [1] [3], Phyllis Hyman [1] [4], Zzyzynne, and a few other names I haven't bothered with, who I will refer to simply as Alicia Keys for the sake of convenience. I've been arguing with her over a pile of stuff for a few months now, and I think it's time that one of these be brought here because I have reached the limit of what I can do.

Alicia Keys and her sock Zzyzynne are bureaucrats on Encyclopaedia Daemonica. I have often seen her indefinitely globally blocking IPs that seem to have made only one or two edits to her wiki, [5] and I've removed these blocks because I think they may do more harm than good and I've often shortened indef global blocks in the past. She also sometimes changes block settings to allow logged-in users to edit with the reason 'For anons only!' or something similar. I originally mistook these blocks for ones she had originally made, as the global block list doesn't show the difference between a change of settings and a new block, but I did end up realising that she changed the settings. When I saw this as a block reason I thought it was ridiculous, as block summaries are supposed to describe the block or the change to it (right?) and I took them off right away, and left a note on her talk page explaining why I did it. [6] Another point I made was that I had made several of these blocks she modified, some of which were checkuser blocks - i.e. several accounts had used a given ip or range, and modifying them to be anons only wouldn't stop accounts getting through (since there is no check box for stopping account creation). I also said something about how having multiple admin/crat accounts was unprofessional behaviour (should probably have said 'unadminlike' or 'unworthy of an admin' or something but whatever, same idea...). I thought these were all valid points, but her response did nothing to address any of them, at least not for me: she said that stopping accounts from editing from blocked ips was blocking potentially good users, and as she was not a professional she did not need to behave professionally. These things are true, but it seems clear to me that she completely, purposely, ignored what I was saying, as they have little to nothing to do with it.

I believe I tried again to explain my point of view, and probably accused her of not replying 'coherently', and that apparently made her decide to indefinitely (locally) rangeblock 99.240.* and 99.241.* without giving a reason [7] and remove all comments I made on her talk pages relating to global blocks [8] [9] again without giving a reason beyond accusing me of having an 'impudent reputation'. This was when I stopped assuming good faith on her part, or at least good judgement when it came to blocks; I thought I had been civil and had legitimate concerns, but she reacted as if I were some sort of troll or vandal who only wanted to make trouble.

She also continued to modify global blocks to anons only, this time giving reasons for them that consisted of various criticisms of me, mainly the small - in my view - detail that I sometimes use Welsh in my block reasons, which I do mainly because I often make the blocks from a Welsh wiki, and I don't see a reason to stop because other people do that sort of thing without getting told off. I don't like arguing or wheel warring, so I just removed the blocks, hoping this would quiet things down.

But no.

A few weeks ago I took a peek at the global block list, and all the most recent blocks on it had been made by Carlb in May this year. This was obviously wrong, since I'd made quite a few some time after that, and I could only come to one conclusion. Yes, she took off every single remaining block that I'd made or modified. Without giving a reason. Any reason. Not even 'English is your native language, not Cymraeg' or 'For anons only!'. Since she had made it impossible for me to contact her at the wiki where she was doing this, I left her a note on her Illogicopedia talk page. Tried to be polite, all that. Didn't go into details of why I thought she was doing things wrong, as I'd already told her what I thought to be more than enough about making and removing global blocks and she had chosen to disregard it. She didn't answer for quite some time, even though she was obviously there.

In fact, when she did answer (on 3 December, it seems), it was - not so much to my surprise as to my extreme annoyance - on another wiki, in the form of a talk page for an article she had created with too little content. "Llwy, you removed ALL of my global blocks, so I'll do the same to you. This is all I need to fucking say on the matter now."

Now that is not a reason for removing global blocks. Blocks are not a place to carry out a vendetta with the person who made them, and, though we may often refer to the ones we make as 'ours', we do not own them. Deciding whether a block should stay should have nothing whatsoever to do with who made it; furthermore, if you think someone else has removed 'your' blocks wrongly, the correct response is not to respond in kind, but to start a discussion. I am the only one in this mess who has seriously tried to discuss anything.

Responding to my comments aside, the article had no content, and the talk page was just a comment directed at me that had no real place there, so I deleted both of them. I was also so thoroughly annoyed by what she did that I blocked the IP address she had used for a week. [10] I made the block not only because she used article and talk space to 'talk' to me, but because she has previously created articles with no content on wikis she must know I use/clean regularly, and also because...something's got to give here, something has to be done, and I don't know what it is or if blocking her was a good idea - or indeed if it prevents anything, since she has quite a few different ip addresses - but this can't go on this way. We can't keep fighting each other indefinitely. I for one don't want to fight any more. I am happy to have civil, constructive discussion, but if someone's idea of discussion is what basically amounts to vandalism and personal attacks (yes, she's thrown some of those at me as well, though mainly over things that aren't directly related to this and that I can't be bothered to go into) they are going to lose their editing privileges on my watch. It's a privilege, not a right, don't abuse it, yadda, yadda...

Anyway.

I may have this all wrong and upside down, but I think the best solution at this point would be to remove her bureaucrat rights on Daemonica. It may a small, inconsequential wiki, but her global blocks there affect all of carlb's stuff, and she doesn't seem to get how to use them enough not to potentially cause real problems. By 'real' I mean, you know, the actual reasons for the blocks and that, the people who are using the ips. I make global blocks to prevent spam, and I actually think it works pretty well when you get the right ones, and if she removes all the blocks I make she could be opening up a flood of spam. I've been fighting spam off and on on a pile of carlb's wikis for the last few months, so I know there's an ongoing problem with it.

I also think it might be a good idea to close Daemonica. It looks at first glance as if it is a demonic encyclopedia or something, and I've heard rumours that it parodies Encyclopedia Dramatica, but many of the articles are copied off Uncyc and most of the original stuff is about Phyllis Hyman, Alicia Keys and Tamia Hill and how Alicia and Phyllis are wonderful and Tamia is the worst. With no offence intended to anyone, I can't figure out for the life of me what the concept is supposed to be or why there needs to be a wiki about it. I also don't understand how one parodies ED, and even if it is possible, Daemonica is clearly not doing it in any appreciable way. If I could understand what it was about I'd be happy to adopt it, but as it is I really think carlb has more than enough slowing his servers down.

Any thoughts, anyone? Llwy ar lawrlogimalpedie:en:be:ga:la:ru:sco: 22:47, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Oh yeah and if you decide to keep Daemonica I'd like the rangeblocks removed. They are in my opinion totally pointless. Llwy ar lawrlogimalpedie:en:be:ga:la:ru:sco: 15:54, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
Removing a small wiki like Dæmonica wouldn't make the servers load faster, I believe. However, I side you completely as far as the mission of Dæmonica concerns. It's becoming a personal blog in stead of a wiki community. With that dictatorial view on cooperation, such a project can't have a future. Nevertheless, I not alone to make such decisions. Neiter there are written procedures to close a wiki. In fact, Carl has that right, because in jurisdiction he is the "owner". A comment from Alicia Keys herself on this project would therefore be very useful. Because of quite essential arguments and the violation of Uncyclomedia Foundation's vision, I therefore set up a poll | Cartoonist | Spit it out (talk) | E-mail | UnMeta | 03:40, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
I agree it would be useful to have her comment here. I have notified her here but I don't know if she will comment. We may have to make the decision without her. Llwy ar lawrlogimalpedie:en:be:ga:la:ru:sco: 02:52, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Poll: should Dæmonica (daemonica.org) close?

  • This is a poll. Its result will not necessarily affect Dæmonica. The final decision is Carl's.
  • A simple majority requires 50% + 1 vote
  • Not mandatory: give us some insights in the reason why you gave a particular vote. It might help in this debate.
  • The vote ends at 08:00 PM New year's Day (January 1st), Central European Time. That's 04:00 PM Sao Paolo, 02:00 PM New York.
  • Who is allowed to vote? See this.

For closing Dæmonica

  1. Yes! --Pinxin, just talk!, look what I did! 05:46, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
  2. Per what I said above. Llwy ar lawrlogimalpedie:en:be:ga:la:ru:sco: 16:59, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
  3. What is the point of Daemonica? As far as I know, the past month only had spambot attacks and one article. It's dead, and unless someone takes control of it, it will remain dead. But this is the minor of the evils. I think the worst problem is that any wiki hosted by Uncyclomedia Foundation is entitled to nominate representatives to discuss the problems of the Foundation, and if "Alicia Keys" is actively vandalizing other projects, he/she/it is unfit to say anything useful. So, again, unless someone volunteers to take over Daemonica, I think it's best to close (or freeze) the hell damned thing. Cthulhu.fhtagn (talk) 18:09, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
At least your argument is better accepted Cthulhu ... unlike others that validate a vote without explanation. Precisely, a person who in the past had cause problems in the old wiki Alicia Keys. Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,347 preppieditsRhubella.jpg 22:47, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
I would be happy to adopt it if only I could understand what it was about, and if I were able to make an account. Llwy ar lawrlogimalpedie:en:be:ga:la:ru:sco: 19:10, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Against closing Dæmonica

  1. ...

Neutral

  1. Awaiting response from administrators / contributors of Dæmonica | Cartoonist | Spit it out (talk) | E-mail | UnMeta | 03:40, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
    Pinxin is an administrator there and he has voted for closing it. Is this enough of a response? It's probably all you'll get. Llwy ar lawrlogimalpedie:en:be:ga:la:ru:sco: 23:23, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
    Bizarre, you really know Pinxin. And where he is administrator? Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,347 preppieditsRhubella.jpg 01:22, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
    I saw that he (or she) was made an administrator on Daemonica in the rights log. He also said somewhere that he thought Daemonica was pointless. That's all I know. Llwy ar lawrlogimalpedie:en:be:ga:la:ru:sco: 02:26, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
  2. I can not find anything which would adversely affect the site. See cases with Wikimerda. However, I recognize that the problem is in user behavior. Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,347 preppieditsRhubella.jpg 20:33, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
  3. It is a wiki that is missing of some interested users. Uncyclopædiavu'wI’RENAN333contributionsThe best of Spain 00:21, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
  4. I can see that it once had a concept other than Alicia Keys/Phyllis Hyman, back in 2006-7 before Alicia and her socks came. See this old version of the main page. I believe it was more a demonic encyclopedia than a parody of Encyclopedia Dramatica. Several mediawiki messages that I think fit nicely with this concept seem to have been deleted for no apparent reason, and I'd like to see them restored. Mediawiki:Talk was 'Cursing' and something to do with editing (should probably be Mediawiki:Vector-view-edit) was 'Kill', for example. I suppose there is some precedent for this sort of thing with Zombiepedia, which is a wiki about zombies; you become a zombie by joining Zombiepedia, and you sell your soul to demons by joining Daemonica. Something a bit like that. If the Alicia/Phyllis/etc references and Uncyc copy pasta can be cleaned out I think there is potential for something different to grow. The challenge is finding someone to write that different material. Llwy ar lawrlogimalpedie:en:be:ga:la:ru:sco: 03:35, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
    The truth is that Alicia used the site to their advantage as it did in Uncyclopedia.mirror some time ago. In fact, all members of the Brazilian projects (including Descilopédia's users itself) believe that this project is in the same way that Zumbiepedia. I believe it's the same desire of other users. Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,347 preppieditsRhubella.jpg 21:13, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Further debate

Gentlemen, I read this long discussion trying to explain the problem and I believe that the user Alicia Keys disrespected again determined that the privilege of running a website. I do not remember which other topic discussed her conduct however, I can state a recurrence in the attitudes of the user.

On the points raised by Llwy-ar-lawr I can say that:

  1. Removal/block global is the administration of the site and may affect some potential in an attempt to try to create a publisher account. The use of this tool should be used to our old problem of spambots attacks.
  2. The creation of multiple accounts and grant administration of the site with them is unfortunately a dangerous act of despotism. This can not be tolerated.
  3. The problem of site content to be copies of articles Uncyclopedia is an old problem since this fact happened on the old site Crappypedia also managed by Alicia Keys. This problem has been source of fights between users of Desciclopédia and Wikimerda and the fact of the use of global locks can be in that situation.
  4. Finally, the failure of an administrator UnMeta is an unforgivable situation. Because in no time, Alicia Keys, wished to discuss the petitions fearing loss of power.

Well, I do not know what the situation of the site but I imagine some similarities with what happened to her in the administação Uncyclopedia.mirror and Crappypedia. In case of any violation of the same rules I do not see how to keep a project like this. Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,347 preppieditsRhubella.jpg 16:43, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

As far as I know, "daemonica" was a rubbish attempt to parody "dramatica" which never was particularly active. I could remove access to the global block extension on that wiki if it's being used to cause disruption elsewhere, it'd be no great loss. Carlb (talk) 01:19, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
Before we know whether this or that site may require global lock would be nice if the administration did not create problems to other administrators UnMeta. It would be absurd if every sysop who does not know the history of a user who visited arrumasse wiki or an issue out of nothing. ¬¬ Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,347 preppieditsRhubella.jpg 21:50, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Ok, this is not really to do with anything in this section, for which I am sorry, but if you will look at recent changes on the Latin uncyc you will see a lot of vandalism/junk pages being created having to do with Phyllis Hyman and Alicia Keys. This is our Alicia Keys creating these pages; I recognise her ip address and her editing style. I believe she is targeting specifically this wiki because I am not an admin there and I have warned her that if she vandalises another wiki on which I am an admin I will block her. I am 100% sure she will vandalise other wikis rather than respond directly on this forum, so do not wait for a response. I am feeling really frustrated that I cannot deal with this vandalism, so if you see this and you can I would be really happy if you could make me an admin there (la:Special:userrights/Llwy-ar-lawr). You could also just clean up the vandalism and block any ips that mention Phyllis Hyman or Alicia Keys (preferably one year), which would be great, but since there is some other assorted junk there that can only be cleaned up with admin tools it would be ideal if I could just do it. Thanks in advance. Llwy ar lawrlogimalpedie:en:be:ga:la:ru:sco: 18:27, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Comment: From what I saw on mirror.uncyc.org, Alicia Keys doesn't do much except spam templates with "her" own name on them around the wiki and attempt to turn the place into her own personal wiki with a range of sockpuppets. Not sure if Keys has modified her/his behavior since I last looked, but that isn't really "collaborative" behavior. I believe she/he is also banned on both the current uncyclopedia and the old Wikia site. 96.31.64.186 19:35, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
From what I notice, Alicia keys is blocked after my warning Carlb since 2011 in Uncyclopedia.mirror. I wonder if this is also happening in Daemonica. I leave that explicit confirmation of these facts does not determine the closing of the site (I believe Carlb not want that) but none administrator accept this kind of behavior and the total removal of administrative powers in the wikis mentioned would be a better sentence imposed. Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,347 preppieditsRhubella.jpg 20:26, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
Alicia Keys is currently using the name 'Boobnoob' on Mirror Uncyc and en.uncyclopedia.co. I don't think she edits the wikia site regularly any more, and I don't think she was ever blocked on either main uncyc. She hasn't (yet?) caused enough trouble under her current name to have been blocked, but I have let Simsilikesims know that she is a sock of a blocked user (on the mirror) and she says she will block her if there is any seriously bad behaviour. Alicia Keys/Boobnoob also makes what are imho rather low quality edits on enuncyco (unfunny quotes, lengthening lists, adding wikipedia templates; I mention the last one because there are guidelines for using the wikipedia template and she is by all evidence not following them), and since I watch recent changes a lot I'm often the one reverting them, and in most cases she reverts my reverts, often more than once. She also once repeatedly reverted my change of a wikia link to a local one, a change that is very well supported by usual practice and that was not objected to by anyone else; in fact, two other editors reverted her revert as well. I am not sure if this is blockable yet but I think she is going a bit far.
I believe the only wikis she spams Wikipedia template/Phyllis Hyman/Alicia Keys/Toni Braxton-only pages on regularly are the wikia forks of the English and French Illogicopedias. I only found this out when I decided to remove the content from them and direct traffic to the 'real' sites by redirecting all their articles to the main page or replacing with 'this wiki has moved, go here' etc etc. I thought nobody would object since there is/was no community, but at some point when I was partway through I found her reverting my edits. She didn't give a reason for doing this that I understood; as well, her edit summaries told me a number of times to 'go fuck myself' (va te faire foutre), which is anything but a reason for a revert. I left her a civil enough note on her talk page asking her to explain herself, and she said that the sites were now called 'Phyllogicopedia' (Phyllis Hyman + Illogicopedia) and she was making them into something different from the illogicopedias. Which didn't quite answer my question. Since I hadn't got an answer, I kept reverting to my versions of things and doing that kind of thing, and she kept reverting me back. She refused to communicate effectively, I thought what I was doing was the right thing, so I kept at it. But of course this made her mad because she wanted to use these wikis for her own purposes and I was in her way. I won't blather on about the details; here are the most relevant page histories: [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] That covers everything up to here, where she requested I be blocked.
The block was a surprise. She hadn't warned me she was going to do that. When I suddenly found myself facing a message saying I was blocked on all wikia wikis by 'VSTF' (vandalism and spam task force) I thought the wikia staff had noticed by themselves, but then I came across Alicia's request for my 'vandalism' to be stopped. I wasn't surprised when I saw it. Things had stopped surprising me at that point, I think. I just felt bad. I didn't consider my edits to be vandalism, at least no more than hers (you know her style.) I like to think I'm pretty easy to discuss things with. But no, she wouldn't explain so that I understood and accepted her actions, she wouldn't stop, she thought the best course of action was to use force. Never mind that the block was terribly long for a first time sort of thing, for someone who had never been warned once. 1 year. Expires 15 October 2014. Never mind that I was blocked across all of Wikia, which included several wikis I had previously been contributing to constructively and really enjoyed. Never mind that I take blocks very badly, even self-requested or self-placed ones, and get depressed and angry for days on end. None of that matters. I had to be stopped at all costs because I was infringing on her ability to make a repository of Phyllis Hyman weirdness. Go figure.
And then she said that it was all my doing that I was globally blocked. Sure, whatever.
Anyway...what was I saying? Llwy ar lawrlogimalpedie:en:be:ga:la:ru:sco: 03:31, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
Wow, that was terrible.
Anyway, yes, Carlb, it would probably be good to disable global blocking from Daemonica if you can. Would save at least me some trouble. And if someone can clean up Latin Uncyc I'd really appreciate that too, but there's no real rush. Llwy ar lawrlogimalpedie:en:be:ga:la:ru:sco: 03:53, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
Llwy you confirm me that was really blocked on all Wikia wikis. Just visit the Inci and Désencyclopedie and not on anything like that.

Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,347 preppieditsRhubella.jpg 15:12, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry but I can't link to the block log as there isn't any. You can see on this page a little tag saying I am blocked, and it will show up on all wikia wikis when the wikia skin is used, but there is no log of global blocks. (My wikia username was Cuillère sur plancher, not Llwy-ar-lawr. I say 'was' because I created a sock named Llwy-ar-lawr to get around the block (and contribute constructively, mind you) and that is the account I use now. I am also really afraid that someone will report me to wikia staff for being a block evading sockpuppet and they'll probably block me again if that happens so please don't do that because I'm not going to do anything bad. Really.) 'Cuillère sur plancher' was locally blocked once on Desencyclopedie [19] but it was self-requested so doesn't really count for anything.
Weirdly enough, 'globally' blocking an account, i.e. blocking it on all wikis on a server at once, is something that to my knowledge can't be done anywhere other than Wikia; most wikis don't have SUL, but even the main ones that do - the wikimedias - can only globally block ips. For accounts you have to use something called a 'global lock', which is apparently different from a block. Uses a different special page, I think.
Anyway, what does any of this have to do with anything? Alicia has left CartoonistHenning a couple of talk messages saying I am unfit to be an administrator because I 'vandalised' wikia wikis, and I've removed these comments because I've already explained the situation with that here and her comments seem intended only to further her goal of getting me to go away so she can use whatever wiki she likes for her own ends. I think this is the relevant policy. Of course, she would never try to back up her words and actions with wikipedia policy because she was blocked there. Inappropriate username, fair amount of inappropriate edits, next to nothing remotely constructive. Llwy ar lawrlogimalpedie:en:be:ga:la:ru:sco: 17:25, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
My bad, WP:DENY is an essay actually. Llwy ar lawrlogimalpedie:en:be:ga:la:ru:sco: 23:24, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

"Llwy had the audacity to remove comments from your talkpage on the Latin Uncyc (including her own comment), thereby showing that her drama is not limited to Wikia sites. If she can't respect comments written on a Sysop's talkpage (which you'll read anyway), she surely cannot be trusted there with special rights let alone on any OTHER project. Do enjoy your Christmas "'God Jul"', (if you celebrate it). Thanks."

~ Kate (talk) 14:16, 25 December 2013 (UTC) in Cartoonist talk
Please, I do not even remember those stupid things that happened there!

Llwy, we try to stay calm here. Firstly, do not go follow the path proposed by Pixim because it runs a rival wiki (Crapédia) and followed Crappypedia times was responsible for vandalism there. Second, what is happening is just a case of extra-wiki conflict and what happens on Wikia sites is outside our jurisdiction. Although, not much less Carlb and Cartoonist will agree to see a copy of Illogicopedias on Wikia.

Then not think the solution to delete a wiki is not the best solution because here in this forum there have been conflicts between Brazilian wikis that have not arrived anywhere. Anyway, the final answer will be Carlb and apparently, he did not want this situation. The response of Katy in discussing Cartoonist was quite obvious to see who really is right here. The solution I propose is the suspension of administrative powers for this user and socks in all projects related to Uncyclomedia (including the Daemonica, and in all versions that are mirror here) by clear violation of administrative rules, including inciting conflicts extra-wiki from / to the above sites. Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,347 preppieditsRhubella.jpg 01:15, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

(I've taken the liberty of fixing the template.)
So...because Pinxin wants to close Daemonica and runs a rival wiki and was responsible for vandalism on Crappypedia (?), and because there were conflicts on UnMeta between Brazilian wikis, we shouldn't close Daemonica? I'm sorry, but I don't totally understand this. I also don't understand how Kate/Alicia's comment that I should not be an admin because I removed her comments led you to believe that she should have her rights removed. I tried translating your post to Portuguese with google but it didn't help much :( Llwy ar lawrlogimalpedie:en:be:ga:la:ru:sco: 02:49, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
(Ok, thanks! :D)
  1. The comment about why you should keep the post of Katy / Alicia, Cartoonist already answered why and agree. However here is the direct channel to resolve this issue as he made clear.
  2. About Pinxin, how can I take seriously a user (administrator of a Brazilian version of Crappy) that ransacked the site, but does not edit Daemonica since 2011? And this without giving an opinion? And especially when he knew it because another Brazilian users commented on this forum? My answer to that I explain. Pinxin is the only direct user in this issue but their vote is biased. May one day lead to new conflicts entres users of Brazilian wikis as happened last tried to administer.
In short, although you have grounds to demand the closure of the site and for this (as quoted Cartoonist: "I long for it") you have all the arguments for it. He only has only one: Crappy Owned! Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,347 preppieditsRhubella.jpg 23:33, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
Ok, I see. Llwy ar lawrlogimalpedie:en:be:ga:la:ru:sco: 00:49, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

One more thing

I'm putting this in another section because it's not directly related to anything else here.

A few months back, there was a lot of vandalism on several Uncyclomedia wikis by someone who thought Carlb's servers were, and I quote, 'slow as shit'. I suppose they can be rather slow but that is not a reason to vandalise his wikis. This person created and edited a lot of pages with nonsense or various offensive statements about Carlb; they also registered accounts with names directly attacking Carlb. This happened almost exclusively on wikis where I happened to be an administrator and that otherwise had little to no activity, so I was the one to clean up the mess and block the accounts. These accounts are as follows: cy:Special:Contributions/Carlb sucks dick, be:Special:Contributions/In soviet russia, dick sucks carlB!, ga:Special:Contributions/Carlb sucks Chatvolant's dad's dick, logimalpedie:Special:Contributions/Carlb fuck off, logimalpedie:Special:Contributions/CarlB Coqvolant, sco:Special:Contributions/CarlB Flyingcock, illogicopedia:Special:Contributions/Carlb sucks cock, good riddance!. If you know that my usernames on the Illogicopedias are Chatvolant and Flyingcat, you will see that some of these usernames directly attack me as well as Carlb. This may be because I blocked all the accounts except of course the illogic-en one (I'm not admin there), or...it may be something else.

If you'll read the first link, you can see this comment:

"Hey sir/madame Chatvolant: Bonjour! you having fun yet? I sure am. I don't know anything in Irish except Erin go bragh. Needless to say, i expect an eternal cosc for all this " Carlb sucks dick" merde. Some of this I'm doing is really making me laugh out loud. The role i play of troll is thrilling, though at your expense. Hell, i could do this all day. Carlb 's server sucks, you already know that. Slow as shit. He probably really is gay, though. And please for the love of Sophia and fnurdletoot, do make an Oscar Wilde article here, even if it does take a couple of hours here on Carlb's server. Merci beaucoup."

~ 208.54.35.162 07:56, 2 Lúnasa 2013 (UTC)

You can tell several things from this. (Such as that I probably should have rollbacked it on sight as it was mostly intended to annoy me, but it's a bit late for that now.) This person is not just a common vandal; he or she is relatively familiar with both Uncyclopedian and Illogicopedian culture, as evidenced by the mentions of Oscar Wilde, Sophia and Fnurdletoot. And, of course, knowing about Carlb is a sign of someone who is familiar with the inner workings of this place. (One of the account names is also a sign of following the events: 'good riddance!' is probably related to the fact that Illogicopedia recently moved off Carlb's servers.) Someone who knows the site and is using that knowledge to troll me, and is proud of it. There is also the use of bits of French and Irish - someone who enjoys appearing to know the wiki's local language for...not sure how to end that thought. This isn't relevant in itself but I'll tie it into something in a bit.

Now, what does this have to do with Alicia Keys?

She knows a bit of French, enough to write a few things on Logimalpedie, but not very well. She sometimes uses bits of French even when the expected language of communication is English; for example, her block summaries are occasionally in French. So does Carlb Sucks.

She uses a lot of IP addresses. So does Carlb Sucks. She used 209.212.something, and so did one of the Carlb Sucks accounts. 208.54.35.something was apparently one of her ip addresses on Latin uncyc, since it got blocked, and 208.54.35.0/128 was a range I blocked to stop Carlb Sucks. (I can find the exact ip addresses of the carlb sucks accounts with checkuser if you really want them all but I'm kind of pressed for time right now.)

She knows the Uncyclomedia projects pretty well. So does Carlb Sucks.

She always, without fail, inserts two line breaks between her talk page comments and her signature. So it was with this Carlb Sucks comment on my talk page. That aspect of it I haven't left in place when I quoted it above, but one thing you can also see is that it looks a little like the writer has trouble typing the comment, like maybe it was done from a cell phone. Alicia Keys has said here that she inserts lots of extra newlines because she edits from a phone; and on her talk page you can also see some comments that have similar writing errors.

Finally, both she and Carlb Sucks have something against me in particular.

I suspect strongly, per wikipedia:WP:DUCK, that she is responsible for the Carlb Sucks vandalism. I don't know how much of a difference this makes to anything else, but I thought it should be said. Llwy ar lawrlogimalpedie:en:be:ga:la:ru:sco: 03:44, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps from this you can see why I said that her saying I should not be an admin is like the pot calling the sugar bowl black. The pot calling the kettle black is a way of describing hypocrisy. We all go crazy sometimes; some of us, like me, occasionally take it out on a wiki or two. I will not do it again. I also vandalised with the intention of helping the Illogicopedias. I did not do it for myself, or for its own sake, and I was not even thinking clearly at the end. Alicia vandalises to further her own goals, as I did, but those goals benefit only her and are neutral or detrimental to most everything else; and she is doing it deliberately. She wants to provoke me. It is not about whether I am fit to do this or that. I do not want to provoke anyone. I admit I was trying to drive her off the wikia sites, but I was doing it to benefit something else, not to make her angry. If I knew how to make her happy as well as resolving the issues I would gladly do it. Finally, her constructive contributions seem few and far between. She has done some rather helpful and generally ok things, particularly here, but I have not seen a wiki where she does not let her disruptive tendencies get the better of her. I think of a sugar bowl as something that is white, therefore something that has done no or little wrong. By comparing myself to a sugar bowl and Alicia to a pot, which is apparently black, I am saying that what she says is beyond just hypocrisy. It is a biased, unfounded account of the situation. It is essentially the opposite of the truth.
And here I will quote the bit where I said that:

"Feel free to approve or reject [my request], but please don't base your decision on what Alicia Keys says. She has caused disruption to prove a point, singled me out with her tactics of annoyance, vandalised, made inappropriate blocks, abused multiple accounts, created sockpuppets to get around blocks, reverted edits because she didn't like them, refused to listen, edit warred, and probably some other stuff I can't think of. I on the other hand have only maybe evaded a block once or twice and by wikipedia's definition what I did doesn't count. For her to say that I've done so much bad stuff I shouldn't be an admin is like the pot calling the sugar bowl black."

~ la:Disputatio Usoris:CartoonistHenning
Take it or leave it, I guess. Anyway I'd better get onto something else now. I've had rather enough of this. Llwy ar lawrlogimalpedie:en:be:ga:la:ru:sco: 05:13, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I read that his last speech here in UnMeta while also doing research on Daemonica and simply noticed one thing that luckily for you, finally, I'm giving him credit though can not change my vote. This little thing is that image:

CheckUser Alicia Keys and Zzyzynne.jpg

Okay, it is confirmed that Alicia Keys and Zzyzynne are the same person and I have no doubt that Green Bubbles is also the same person. I do not know if you've been managing in Daemonica but this evidence is more than enough to change the greater precision here. I'm asking this time the loss of administrative powers of Alicia / Bubbles / Zzyzynne administrative powers of all involved uncys the server Carlb. Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,347 preppieditsRhubella.jpg 01:26, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

It seemed clear enough to me that Alicia and Zzyzynne were the same, but confirming it can't hurt anything.
I don't think Bubbles Green is the same person, but you can do a checkuser if you want to be sure. She doesn't sign the same way; she puts her sig right after her comment and precedes it with two dashes. She also uses smileys sometimes, which I've never seen Alicia do. Those can be seen in this diff, among others. I think she really likes Alicia but is not a sock. I can't comment on whether she should have her rights removed on Daemonica. Llwy ar lawrlogimalpedie:en:be:ga:la:ru:sco: 19:42, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
As a rule, if a bureaucrat can not give powers to administer an account for your domain (sockpuppet) and I do not even need to remind you if there is any rule in Wikipedia because this type of crime has already occurred in other uncys. (I give as an example the Brazilian Uncyclopedia which was discovered in 2006, if I remember)
This kind of thing is a serious breach the rules and there is no other form of punishment is not the loss of all administrative powers as well as blocking the user (at least 1 year) and the banishment of his sock for eternity. Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,347 preppieditsRhubella.jpg 22:35, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
  • PS: He had already made ​​a check on the other administrator (Bubbles) but your edits are out of the grace period that allows the user to check. Check search IPs of all editions up to a year ago. And the last issue expires this reason. Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,347 preppieditsRhubella.jpg

I put together a better comparison of IPs here, by the way. Mostly just had to dig through the logs. There is one exact IP (209.212.1.114) that Alicia and Carlb Sucks have both used. Llwy ar lawrlogimalpedie:en:be:ga:la:ru:sco: 05:31, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Desysop of Alicia Keys

Kind of impressive that it should go like that, but the desysop of Alicia Keys seemed unevitable to me. That's the second time I had to do this after the desysop of the guy behind the got: wiki. She cannot run a project like that. This gives space for new ideas, contributors (if any). If she doesn't give any constructive comment here, she fails to gain her credibility back. I'm sorry | Cartoonist | Spit it out (talk) | E-mail | UnMeta | 17:19, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Yep.
I didn't see that you desysopped anyone on got: - you changed someone from a bureaucrat to an administrator, but that is not the same as desysopping.
Is one of you willing to unblock my IP ranges on Daemonica (99.240.0.0/16 and 99.241.0.0/16), or is it better just to close the wiki? It probably won't make much difference as I can't yet imagine what I could contribute there, but it bothers me to be blocked for no reason and I might someday think of something useful I could add if the wiki is not closed. Llwy ar lawrlogimalpedie:en:be:ga:la:ru:sco: 02:11, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
You might want to unblock Carlb as well (yes, he's blocked, believe it or not), and some of the other stuff in here. There's an incredible amount of IPs and ranges that may not have been a good idea to block; most of these are probably the result of what seems to have been an overly enthusiastic attempt at cracking down on spam. I trust the blocks Frosty and Rhubella made, but the Alicia ones...not so much. Llwy ar lawrlogimalpedie:en:be:ga:la:ru:sco: 03:09, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
Llwy, I just remove blockages made ​​these two IP ranges. Also I hereby notify the block Alicia Keys' sock at the fair grounds (abusing multiple accounts). However I notice a sequence of locks made ​​in July 2013 for accounts that are apparently spambots global locks and many many IP ranges. Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,347 preppieditsRhubella.jpg 20:56, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
You're right. I actually meant taking away bureaucrat priviliges from the website's main 'curator' if you want. I don't think it's a good idea to waste your time on these IPs. Carl earlier proposed to break into those logs and reset them. However (indeed), a more relevant question would be: should we keep it yes or no... I say no, I'm probably not alone with that opinion. And, hey, we still have Zombiepedia | Cartoonist | Spit it out (talk) | E-mail | UnMeta | 02:34, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
Zombiepedia isn't in use either; possibly we should close both wikis. I've started doing a bit of work on Daemonica and I've got some ideas on my user page on how to proceed, and I'd like to see what I can do before we close the place. Llwy ar lawrlogimalpedie:en:be:ga:la:ru:sco: 03:15, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Resposta

It would be much for you to post in english in this topic? This is not the Community Portal of Wikinet, please./Seria muito para vocês postarem em inglês neste tópico? Aqui não é o Portal Comunitário da Wikinet, me faz favor. Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,347 preppieditsRhubella.jpg 10:18, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Não houve uma confusão (do jeito que vocês falaram) coisíssima nenhuma!

Eu só havia vandalizado a Crappypedia em protesto.

Eu não sou o vilão dessa história como vocês pensam.

A Alicia Keys estava bagunçando e destruindo alguns projetos wikis da Uncyclomedia e ninguém havia resolvido nada, nem se importaram, só se importam com isso agora. Eu fiquei com raiva por ninguém ter resolvido esse problema e eu resolvi vandalizar a Crappypedia em protesto, como eu disse ali cima.

Ela reagiu fazendo um vandalismo em massa na Crapedia. Mas a Alicia Keys só criou "artigos" novos com uma frase sem sentido. Então eu resolvi tudo num tapa usando a ferramenta Nuke, não me deu nenhum trabalho apagar os vandalismos da Alicia.

Vocês pensaram que ocorreu uma confusão barulhenta entre as wikis. Pensaram que tivesse ocorrido um conflito sério. Vocês pensaram errado, do jeito que vocês escreveram, deu pra entender que eu fosse um vilão da história.

"Cquote1.png About Pinxin, how can I take seriously a user (administrator of a Brazilian version of Crappy) that ransacked the site (...) Cquote2.png
Rhubella Marie

" - Rhubella Marie

Porra, Rhubella, parece que você gosta de briga Não me leva a sério, né? Porra... vou nem falar nada sobre isso...

"Cquote1.png And this without giving an opinion? Cquote2.png

" - Rhubella Marie

Agora eu já falei sobre o motivo do ocorrido.

"Cquote1.png Pinxin is the only direct user in this issue but their vote is biased. Cquote2.png

" - Rhubella Marie

De acordo com o Google Tradutor:

"Cquote1.png Pinxin é o único usuário direto neste assunto, mas seu voto é tendencioso. Podem um dia levar a novos conflitos entre os usuários das wikis brasileiras (...) Cquote2.png

" - Google Tradutor

Tendencioso? Ué, tá me chamando de maléfico?

Eu já disse que eu não sou o vilão da história e nem quero que isso resulte nesses novos conflitos, nunca!

E eu sou a favor da exclusão da Daemonica sim pois EU não vejo futuro naquele troço, sem contar que ninguém vai querer contribuir naquele troço a não ser vocês. --Pinxin, just talk!, look what I did! 05:47, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Também não vejo futuro na Daemonica, mas lembremos: uma vez excluída, ela não poderá ser recuperada, então pensem bem.

eu acho que nem o desysop da Alicia e nem a exclusão da Daemonica iriam impedir que Alicia continuasse á fazer este tipo de coisa na Uncyclomedia, a unica coisa que poderia resolver seriam os rangeblocks, mas isso traria outros problemas--Jacksonhead.jpg Renan Jackson It don't matter if you're black or white Who's Bad? 06:02, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

  • Ninguém vai mudar a minha opinião, e não é só eu, muitas pessoas (como o Llwy) que conhecem a Daemonica querem mais que ela vá pro Quinto dos Infernos, até vocês querem isso, só que escondem isso como se isso fosse algo errado. Pinxin, just talk!, look what I did! 06:37, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
I apologise for posting in English, you can translate what I say to Portuguese if you want but I can't write in it. I can read it though so I am ok if you use it here.
I did not see hope for Daemonica at first but now I have some ideas on what to do with it and I would like to adopt it if possible so I can follow through with those ideas. That's all I have to say. The other points I can't really comment on. Llwy ar lawrlogimalpedie:en:be:ga:la:ru:sco: 08:02, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
If you want to take over Daemonica, good luck. It seems an interesting idea, but poorly developed. It's more or like Conservapedia, a satanist parody of Wikipedia, isn't it? Or maybe Daemonica could be merged to Conservapedia, what do you think? Cthulhu.fhtagn (talk) 09:07, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Cthulhu, o seu comentário foi um deboche, então cala a boca e vai dormir, cara só fala merda, cadê o seu pai?. Ideia mal desenvolvida o caramba, é a minha opinião, eu já falei da minha opinião ali em cima, leia. E daí se eu quero que ela vá pro Quinto dos Infernos? Pelo fato da minha opinião ser simples, não vai impedir que eu fique com ela, eu quero que a Daemonica seja deletada porque ela simplesmente não tem futuro, uma wiki desorganizada, não tem NENHUM sentido, não tem propósito ou objetivo definido, só serve para ocupar o servidor.

E... Llwar, you will not stop me from thinking that the Daemonica is a crap. Daemonica has no future. You will only waste time with that "projektee". --Pinxin, just talk!, look what I did! 09:40, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

  • Cthulhu, não sei a quem você se referiu, mas com certeza não foi com o Llwy, pois ele falou tudo aí em cima e a ideia e a opinião dele foi bem desenvolvida (mas não estou querendo dizer que a minha ideia não é o suficiente, ela só é simples). Se você se referiu a mim, ta aí a sua resposta. ;) --Pinxin, just talk!, look what I did! 09:50, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Cthulhu, a Conservapedia não tem nada a ver, você só fala mal dela porque lá não tem mulher pelada (mentalidade escrota essa sua, hein), deixa ela em paz--Jacksonhead.jpg Renan Jackson It don't matter if you're black or white Who's Bad? 09:58, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Reply (in English)

When I said biased vote is precisely what I mean is asking for a justification of their vote Pixin due to these conflicts between the two site. I know the story, but not Llwy and Cartoonist. This sort of thing has already given reasons for problems in the Wiki itself among multiple users zombies there. What happened was based reasoning to give a vote of Llwy, ie prove that Alicia Keys was just a Vandal and you vote without giving explanation makes no sense means voting for those wanting the closure of the site. Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,347 preppieditsRhubella.jpg 07:57, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Another resposta

Cquote1.png When I said biased vote is precisely what I mean is asking for a justification of their vote Pixin (...) Cquote2.png


Não, senhora, você não quis dizer isso aí, não. Você me acusou de ser o vilão da porra dessa história, falou que o meu voto era tendencioso porque eu tinha uma wiki rival (???). Rival o cacete, eu não via aquela merda como uma concorrente pois aquela merda não ficava na frente, não me atrapalhava em nada, se bem que aquilo lá não fazia cócegas em nenhum projeto wiki, nem mesmo na Illogicopedia. Eu só vandalizei aquela merda em protesto e isso eu já disse ali cima, ó, basta ler, está bem aí cima, ó...

Ask significa perguntar ou... exigir, certo?

Então, se você quisesse perguntar pra mim, era só me perguntar por aqui mesmo ou lá no Facebook, que ficaria MUITO mais fácil porque aqui às vezes o site fica lento e não dá pra responder direito, tem que ficar prevendo a revisão para não perder todo o trabalho.

E sobre a justificação, eu já contei, ela pode ser simples mas já é o suficiente.

Cquote1.png due to these conflicts between the two site Cquote2.png


Conflitos? Foi só um e não durou uma hora para ser resolvido!

Cquote1.png I know the story, but not Llwy and Cartoonist Cquote2.png


Soube mas contou errado.

Cquote1.png ie prove that Alicia Keys was just a Vandal Cquote2.png


Isso mesmo, eu PROVEI mesmo... e o Llwar também.

Cquote1.png and you vote without giving explanation makes no sense means voting for those wanting the closure of the site. Cquote2.png


Meu voto tem sentido sim, os motivos que eu dei já são suficientes mesmo sendo simples. Ué, será que não posso ter opinião? :(

E Rhubella, eu não estou te atacando e não estou sendo grosseiro com você, espero que não se incomode com isso... eu estou aqui de boas falando normalmente. :)

P.S.: Eu não preciso falar inglês porque eu estou falando DIRETAMENTE com você... e o meu texto, se ele fosse traduzido para o inglês perderia alguns sentidos, e para adaptar o meu texto levaria um tempão. --Pinxin, just talk!, look what I did! 19:37, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Eu vou entrar com recurso MWHAHAHAHA!!!
Ok então, quer brigar? então vamos brigar...

Cquote1.png Não, senhora, você não quis dizer isso aí, não. Você me acusou de ser o vilão da porra dessa história, falou que o meu voto era tendencioso porque eu tinha uma wiki rival (???). Rival o cacete, eu não via aquela merda como uma concorrente pois aquela merda não ficava na frente, não me atrapalhava em nada, se bem que aquilo lá não fazia cócegas em nenhum projeto wiki, nem mesmo na Illogicopedia./No, ma'am, you did not mean it that, no. You accused me of being the villain of the fucking story, said my vote was biased because I had a rival wiki (??). Rival my ass, I did not see that shit as a competitor because that shit was not in front, did not hurt me at all, though it did not tickle there any wiki project, even in Illogicopedia. Cquote2.png
Pinxin


I already told you, the fact of having a similar site the proposed Crappypedia humor and the fact that vandalize site makes voting at a disadvantage from the moment you do not give an explanation when he voted. It costs you write that the site is littered with articles copied from Uncyclopedia and other nonsense for a project like that?

Cquote1.png Então, se você quisesse perguntar pra mim, era só me perguntar por aqui mesmo ou lá no Facebook, que ficaria MUITO mais fácil porque aqui às vezes o site fica lento e não dá pra responder direito, tem que ficar prevendo a revisão para não perder todo o trabalho./So if you wanted to ask me, just ask me was right here or there on Facebook, it would be MUCH easier here because sometimes the site gets slow and you can not answer right, it has to be providing the review not to lose all the work. Cquote2.png
Pinxin


This sort of thing is to be resolved here because it is an administrative solution. Cartoonist has warned that this vote may not be valid if you are not interested in Carlb delete the site. And besides, I packed more than sufficient evidence to eliminate any pretense of Katy/Alicia whoever or whatever any other work involving Uncyclomedia.

Cquote1.png Soube mas contou errado./Knew but told wrong. Cquote2.png
Pinxin


I told the right story yes, but you may have gotten the wrong story. I refere me about their vandalism in Crappypedia. xP

Cquote1.png Isso mesmo, eu PROVEI mesmo... e o Llwar também./That's right, I TASTED same... and also Llwar. Cquote2.png
Pinxin


Captain Obvio xD

Cquote1.png Meu voto tem sentido sim, os motivos que eu dei já são suficientes mesmo sendo simples. Ué, será que não posso ter opinião? :(/My vote has meaning yes, the reason I gave is enough even though simple. Hey, can I have no opinion? :( Cquote2.png
Pinxin


Another thing, the answer is not just for me. As I said, this is not the Wikinet's Community Portal nor the Desciclopédia's pub. The response also serves others involved in UnMeta here. This issue is related to Uncyclomedia and not Wikinet, Brazilian Illogicopedia, Wikimerda only. Or not even that. Participation is accepted provided that you do not misunderstand the issue only to a closed clubhouse (say, you). By this I refer to texts in Portuguese.

Cquote1.png Eu não preciso falar inglês porque eu estou falando DIRETAMENTE com você... e o meu texto, se ele fosse traduzido para o inglês perderia alguns sentidos, e para adaptar o meu texto levaria um tempão./I do not need to speak English because I'm talking DIRECTLY to you ... and my text, if it were translated into English would lose some senses, and to adapt my text would take a long time. Cquote2.png
Pixin


Among translate your text and write my response, I took about 20 minutes. Another thing, a professional secret. Usually translate paragraph by paragraph and not a long text at once.

Bye, bye. :D Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,347 preppieditsRhubella.jpg 20:11, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, this is not related to the discussion here, but I turned template:C into a quote template so your quotations look like quotations instead of randomly coloured text. I hope you find this helpful. Llwy ar lawrlogimalpedie:en:be:ga:la:ru:sco: 23:17, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
And you don't have to worry about writing in Portuguese, at least not as far as I'm concerned (and I'm the only one who seems to be looking here for the most part), because I can read it pretty well and if I can't read something Google usually can. It's generally good to keep things in English though, I suppose. Llwy ar lawrlogimalpedie:en:be:ga:la:ru:sco: 23:22, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
This sort of thing should be right here, gets nasty if each user edit resolve in their native language generalizing chaos here. To start, Pinxin and other edited here as if in a Brazilian project sites (note the name of the template) is exactly the thing I do not like and to make clear what to say there is no double reading: I refer the way to edit. Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,347 preppieditsRhubella.jpg 08:28, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Em algum momento eu disse que queria brigar?

Cquote1.png Ok então, quer brigar? então vamos brigar Cquote2.png


Em nenhum momento eu quis briga, em nenhum momento! Veja só como são as suas provocações para depois gerar em um flamewar.

Cquote1.png the fact that vandalize site makes voting at a disadvantage from the moment you do not give an explanation when he voted. Cquote2.png


Não sei do que é que você tá falando, sério, tô entendendo porra nenhuma pelo fato disso aí estar em inglês, o Google Tradutor não dá me ajudando em nada, mas foda-se, vou responder sim, continuando...

O problema não é desvantagem, e eu já dei explicações sim, eu já falei que eu vandalizei aquela merda em protesto e que merecia sim ser vandalizado, eu já falei o porquê de eu querer que a Daemonica seja suspensa, eu já expliquei várias vezes.... quantas vezes eu tenho que explicar essa história de novo?

Cquote1.png This sort of thing is to be resolved here because it is an administrative solution. Cartoonist has warned that this vote may not be valid if you are not interested in Carlb delete the site. And besides, I packed more than sufficient evidence to eliminate any pretense of Katy/Alicia whoever or whatever any other work involving Uncyclomedia. Cquote2.png


Não, vocês estavam mencionando o meu nick, VOCÊ começou a me acusar injustamente de vilão da história, e ainda foi lá e reforçou a sua crítica, fica falando que sabia da minha história mas na verdade não sabia de porra!

Eu sei que o negócio deve ser resolvido aqui, você FALOU que quis PERGUNTAR para mim qual é a razão do voto, e eu te respondi isso aí, não se faça de desentendida.

Agora, sobre o Cartoonist ter avisado que o voto poderia não ser válido se eu NÃO estiver interessando no Carlb excluir o site... porra... acontece que eu estou interessado na exclusão do projeto, eu votei a favor da exclusão do projeto e eu já falei aqui o porquê de querer que o projeto seja excluído. É só ler, basta ler lá em cima.

Cquote1.png I told the right story yes, but you may have gotten the wrong story. I refere me about their vandalism in Crappypedia. xP Cquote2.png


Não se referiu, não. Você falou besteiras, falou que o meu voto era tendencioso (???), que eu era rival e que havia conflitoS entre eles, dando a impressão de que foram conflitos grandes, que a coisa pegou fogo... enfim...

Cquote1.png Captain Obvio xD Cquote2.png


What? _\_

Cquote1.png Another thing, the answer is not just for me. As I said, this is not the Wikinet's Community Portal nor the Desciclopédia's pub. The response also serves others involved in UnMeta here. This issue is related to Uncyclomedia and not Wikinet, Brazilian Illogicopedia, Wikimerda only. Or not even that. Participation is accepted provided that you do not misunderstand the issue only to a closed clubhouse (say, you). By this I refer to texts in Portuguese. Cquote2.png


Eu sei, porra... mas aqui é DEMOCRACIA, se eu tenho uma opinião simples sobre isso aí, e agora, vai ter que me privar de votar, é?

... e por acaso eu já tinha me referido a algum problema da Wikinet? Eu me expliquei, desmascarei vocês e você ainda vem com esse deboche dizer que aqui não é a Wikinet para dizer que eu estou no lugar errado? Faça-me um favor, deve ser por isso que os desciclopes NÃO te suportam, você só faz 'insinuaçõeszinhas' sem sentido, quer provocar, fica implicando com os usuários, faz deboche (e aproveita para colocar essas merdas de imagem na direita da página), inverte, subverte, perverte (basta dar uma olhada do que ela falou sobre mim BEEEEEM lá em cima) e destorce tudo (ainda 'pergunta' se eu quero briga ou não, ha!).

Cquote1.png Among translate your text and write my response, I took about 20 minutes. Another thing, a professional secret. Usually translate paragraph by paragraph and not a long text at once. Bye, bye. :D Cquote2.png


Ó, lá, mais um deboche, olha só como você fala. E daí se durou 20 minutos? Não é outra coisa, você apenas utilizou a porra do Google Tradutor e não adaptou porra nenhuma, por isso que não dá pra entender tudo o que VOCÊ FALA em inglês, sem contar das "traduções" sem adaptações e quase sem sentidos das respostas de outros usuários que você põe aqui para os estrangeiros verem.

Eu sei disso, esse negócio de traduzir parte por parte (pequenas), eu já faço isso há muito tempo, mas mesmo assim a tradução fica uma bosta, caralho. ¬¬'

Agora eu já respondi tudo, não é preciso nem vir mais para este tópico, pois eu percebi que não se deve perder tempo com esquerdopatas... sério mesmo, você PARECE um daqueles esquerdopatas loucos e insanos do Facebook que não leem os comentários e partem para provocações idiotas.

Agora eu vou voltar para a minha nova wiki, 1200°C, que está na Deep Web, longe dos olhares de todo mundo e a contagem de visitas está subindo muito rápido. Até mais. --Pinxin, just talk!, look what I did! 01:02, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Alicia's response

"my response: mudslinging"

~ [20]

I suspect this mess I had to clean up yesterday (and these edits: [21] [22] [23] [24] [25] [26]) had something to do with this forum as well. She even uploaded a shock image (beware of the link please), which I didn't realise at the time. I blocked her for 3 months. If she does more annoying stuff after it expires she gets it indefinitely. Llwy ar lawrlogimalpedie:en:be:ga:la:ru:sco: 02:16, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

For my part the increased blocking time (6 mounth) for her to have offended me calling me a bitch indeed. (in my language). Well I believe that this issue has come to an end and the vote asks disposal site. And this is with Carlb. Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,347 preppieditsRhubella.jpg 08:19, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
I think one of the good consensual decision that we may take is that any user that engages in vandalism in any UnMeta project is unfit to be a bureaucrat or administrator in any other UnMeta project. Cthulhu.fhtagn (talk) 12:24, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
Unfortunately this is the point that I have always advocated since opening the topic, Cthulhu. Let's assume the following, we recognize that Malucopédia is dead. And if you assume a bureaucrat to do the shit she been doing? Imagine if an administrator appeared Desciclopédia or wikinet asking for the elimination of the site in the same order? I myself in the past had reported on the vandalism of Alicia / Katy in Uncyclopedia.mirror and all that linkes Llwy posted by checking the vandalism of course it was done in violation of the design. Making validates the loss of administrative tools.
Llwy same things found before the arrival of Alicia and the first thing he did was to take the administration to transform the site into a Aliciapedia, as it did in the past and currently in other projects where he assumed. Unfortunately it was a mistake to trust the project Carlb her.
That's exactly the kind of thing I try to argue here. See the case of Renan Jackson, although it has been banned in DP has done a great job in choosing the scope and Wikimerda turning Michael Jackson in God only in your site, respecting the scope of the other sites and this does not prevent editing in other projects . That's the difference between him and Alicia. All we can do is eliminate all spam calls made ​​for her. Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,347 preppieditsRhubella.jpg 15:19, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
Why are these two cases different? These are two vandals, that attack other projects, and have turned their feuds into non-wikis, full of pirated material from other projects. Isonomy, Rhubella. Cthulhu.fhtagn (talk) 15:43, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
HAHAHAHAHAHA, Cthulhu, porque você só é engraçado quando está falando "sério"???? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA--Jacksonhead.jpg Renan Jackson It don't matter if you're black or white Who's Bad? 16:06, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
  • Eu tive que vir aqui dizer que... esse Cthulhu é um sujeito muito tosco, só sabe chamar o Renan de vândalo porque ele não concorda com as suas palhaçadas e os seus absurdos. Renan, por favor, não perca tempo com esse palhação aí. --Pinxin, just talk!, look what I did! 16:19, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
Cthulhu, porque está tão butthurt??? o Redtube tá fora do ar, é?--Jacksonhead.jpg Renan Jackson It don't matter if you're black or white Who's Bad? 16:30, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

A paciência acabou! ou alguém tem algo relevante a dizer ou esse tópico fecha-se daqui a pouco! Se vão desvirtuar o assunto façam num idioma onde todos podem participar.

As for isonomy, I do not think so. I have really noticed a good job of Renan, at least in MP. Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,347 preppieditsRhubella.jpg 20:32, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

What?

Rhubella, a tentativa minha e do RadU Pinxin é derrubar a ditadura cthulhística da WN e de preferência de toda a Uncyclomedia Foundation--Jacksonhead.jpg Renan Jackson It don't matter if you're black or white Who's Bad? 21:52, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Façam isso lá. Esse tópico não foi feito para isso. E agora que asinteções dos dois são claras vou travar qualquer forum criado por vocês. Eu já estava advinhando esse tipo de trollagem e avisei que a UnMeta não é canal pra intrigas. Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,347 preppieditsRhubella.jpg 23:19, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
Eu até faria, mas Cthulhu me baniu de lá--      Look atmy deeds Renan Jackson Flag of the USA.svg - 23:24, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Considerações finais

Hein??????--Jacksonhead.jpg Renan Jackson It don't matter if you're black or white Who's Bad? 23:18, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Passei o seu texto pro forum... e já com a devida resposta. Passar bem. :D Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,347 preppieditsRhubella.jpg 23:20, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
Rhubella, PARA de se irritar, não é uma briga contra a Wikinet e sim contra o cthulhu, cthulhu se mostrou hoje um verdadeiro ditador tirano que merece ser derrubado, essa é a questão.
Desculpe falar, até gosto de você, mas, com essa de querer bloquear alguém só por abrir um tópico, você está abusando de suas ferramentas--Jacksonhead.jpg Renan Jackson It don't matter if you're black or white Who's Bad? 01:29, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Sorry. I did not mean for the forum to turn into the stuff about Cthulhu and Wikinet. I hope nobody has to be blocked. (And in English Especial:Sair is Special:UserLogout. Sorry, the link in your sig keeps bugging me :)) Llwy ar lawrlogimalpedie:en:be:ga:la:ru:sco: 05:18, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Btw, Frosty of English Uncyclopedia threatens people with blocks for starting discussions he thinks are wrong and we don't mind. Llwy ar lawrlogimalpedie:en:be:ga:la:ru:sco: 05:20, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
But I'm doing for that reason. I took a look at what's really going on there and remembering what happened in the previous forum involving users malucopédia, Wikinet and Wikimerda (Forum:Proposal:Unite all Brazilian Uncyclomedia projects) did not show anything but fight I will not have kids that a serious topic involving the termination of a project becomes more a matter of users flamewar involving subject that does not represent anything relevant.
It is logical that my threat should not be washed very seriously. However, there was a long time ago in a certain forum January 2009 where an old administrator Uncyclomedia noticing the same attitude of some people calling for the confiscation of the administrator rights of another sysop (old friend of Carlb) not think twice about block for a day who had similar behavior people walking bothering the forum today. He blocked including those advocated that administrator. I remember this because I was locked rightfully defend this third person. XP Say I'm the kind of teacher who does not support indiscipline. Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,347 preppieditsRhubella.jpg 00:49, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
PS: About the functions mentioned (Especial:Sair (English) or Special:UserLogout (Portuguese).), it depends on the language that the user has on their preferences. In my case, as my preferences are in the Galician language as they leave Especial:Saír ao anonimato xD Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,347 preppieditsRhubella.jpg
The name of the special page doesn't depend on what language you set in your preferences. Special:UserLogout is always going to be Special:UserLogout on an English wiki, and is always going to be Especial:Sair on a Portuguese wiki, though the link to it in the upper right and the content of the page will be different depending on your preferences. Llwy ar lawrlogimalpedie:en:be:ga:la:ru:sco: 03:06, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
Tá vendo só como é fácil um assunto mudar rapidamente em uma discussão??? O assunto dessa seção é sobre o forum relacionado ao fechamento da Daemonica/banimento da Alicia, mas que agora se desviou a um assunto sobre Special:UserLogout. Tá vendo como não dá pra controlar este tipo de coisa??? É inevitável--Jacksonhead.jpg Renan Jackson It don't matter if you're black or white Who's Bad? 04:18, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
Eu não ia comentar mas, como você é que está dando criticas demais ao meu desepenho de trabalho, vou apontar onde realmente que Llwy viu esse Especial:Sair. Na maldita da sua assinatura que importou de seu site se você ainda não percebeu que nenhum link escrito em português funciona se o site configurado em inglês. Foi a Llwy comentar isso que percebi o erro na sua assinatura.
Já não é a primeira vez que você anda incomodando outros usuários. Primeiro foi eu e você chamou UJ de paneleiro, lhe valendo esse bloqueio. E dezenas de vezes vi você e RadU com essas querelas com a Wikinet em suas páginas de discussão. Eu ainda te dei oportunidade de criar um forum para ajudar os sites mas logo descambou pra troca de acusações entre vocês. Agora é só o Cthulhu votar ou comentar e você ironiza. Eu só tou perdoando o RadU porque ele não tem a mínima consideração pela UnMeta senão trataria de traduzir as porras das traduções criando uma discussão bilingue sem necessidade. Mas você só vem aqui pra cutucar ele. O seu problema não é o Cthulhu, É A WIKINET. Você não aceita um projeto como o deles e se eles fizessem o que sugeriu aí que o site iria pro saco pois seria mesmo uma cópia da Desciclopédia, estigma que o seu site não consegue sair. Eu já havia te elogiado pelo trabalho na MP mas você botou tudo a perder com essa mania de incomodar os outros. Você ao contrário do RadU não acrescentou nada naquele forum. Queria criar um flamewar e se eu não o fechasse o Cthulhu iria cair nele.
O pior de tudo é eu ter lido naquele forum algum gênio tentando englobar a Desgalipedia como um mesmo site renegado como se ela fosse um site em português, o site é galego. O meu projeto não é uma cópia da Desciclopédia... mas não, sempre tem um idiota que me compara com vocês e me tira do sério. O site tem um usuário galego ativo, o site está regularizando todos os artigos traduzidos da DP, embora não prioritariamente. A DG não tem nada a ver com os outros projetos brasileiros, com a exceção da própria Desciclopédia pois esse é seu escopo. O UJ sempre entendeu isso.
E tem mais, eu não pedi pra ser sysop aqui e nos outros lugares. Não me venham com essa palhaçada que manipulei o forum daquele jeito. A Llwy só votou porque o Pixin (RadU) votou com a mera desculpa que ele é administrador daquela merda da Daemonica, um sysop inativo como eu também sou por lá. E eu sei que isso não é verdade, e não podia deixar a Llwy concordar com esse voto por esse motivo. E também sabia do fato dele ter vandalizado o antigo projeto mesmo que fosse de protesto. Ah, tá a minha memória é curta mesmo... <ironia>eu bem sei que os desciclopes vandalizavam a Malucopédia por protesto e que o Helder falava que eles combinavam horário!?!</ironia> No final das contas, Llwy retirou o voto ao perceber edições ao descobrir edições de antes do tempo da Alicia.
Só quero que entenda uma coisa, mesmo com essa votação, é Carlb que deve eliminar o site se não corresponder as regras e desde o início foi a burocrata que fez aquilo virar uma Aliciapedia, desrespeitando os requisitos. Ela já foi denunciada por mim anos atrás na Uncy.mirror e meu check user foi bem claro quem está desrespeitando aqui. Cthulhu tá fazendo um ótimo trabalho na Wikinet e MGS não se queixa dele. Ainda que os dois tenham opiniões diversas de como administrar o site eles se entendem. Desde o início, tenho tentado manter a conversa neste forum em inglês para que todos possam entender ao mesmo nível. Já imaginou se todos resolvessem apenas postar em sua língua nativa? Com o forum indo pro buraco que nem aquele que você criou? Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,347 preppieditsRhubella.jpg 01:04, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Tá vendo como você adora arrumar confusão??? Até protegeu a sua usertalk

Rhubella, suas opniões ou pensamentos não representam FATOS, você só sabe ficar botando lenha na fogueira, tanto que foi graças á você queo meu tópico foi pro saco.

Cquote1.png Na maldita da sua assinatura que importou de seu site se você ainda não percebeu que nenhum link escrito em português funciona se o site configurado em inglês. Cquote2.png


Tá vendo? Já começou xingando minha assinatura, como quer que uma discussão seja íntegra dessa forma???

Cquote1.png Já não é a primeira vez que você anda incomodando outros usuários. Primeiro foi eu e você chamou UJ de paneleiro, lhe valendo esse bloqueio. Cquote2.png


Não o chamei de paneleiro, chamei de caipira, e também deduzi que haja uma panelinha na Desciclopédia pois ela está se tornando um grupo fechado, com declarações e ações de UJ, deduzi que ele fazia parte desta panelinha, afinal, desprezo e ódio a outros usuários sempre foi uma característica de um paneleiro, mas eu posso estar errado.

Cquote1.png E dezenas de vezes vi você e RadU com essas querelas com a Wikinet em suas páginas de discussão. Cquote2.png


Pois é, mas isso acabou, Mgs está em paz conosco e nós com ele, o Cthulhu é que gosta de irritar os outros.

Cquote1.png Agora é só o Cthulhu votar ou comentar e você ironiza. Cquote2.png


Caso não saiba, a UnMeta faz parte da Uncyclomedia, e a Uncyclomedia é algo de humor. Lembra como você ironizou no tal "chá de maconha" no Report a problem?? Se você pode, porque eu não posso??

Cquote1.png Eu só tou perdoando o RadU porque ele não tem a mínima consideração pela UnMeta senão trataria de traduzir as porras das traduções criando uma discussão bilingue sem necessidade. Cquote2.png


Na verdade ele está se afastando da Uncyclomedia e de seus projetos por causa de picuinhas estendidas por pessoas como você. Ele agora está apenas nas duas wikis que criou na Deep Web, nem na Crapedia Whuspedia ele edita mais. Ele conversou comigo no chat do Facebook, ele parece ainda estar com raiva de você.

Cquote1.png O seu problema não é o Cthulhu, É A WIKINET. Você não aceita um projeto como o deles e se eles fizessem o que sugeriu aí que o site iria pro saco pois seria mesmo uma cópia da Desciclopédia, estigma que o seu site não consegue sair. Cquote2.png


Não é a Wikinet não, pois se fosse, eu nem editaria lá, e faria vandalismos de verdade e não o que o Cthulhu considera vandalismo. Eu branquearia páginas, espalhava imagens chocantes por todo o site e ia na discussão de cada um xingá-los, mas não faço isso. Eu gosto da Wikinet, meu problema está sendo o Cthulhu mesmo, que não me deixa editar em paz, que usou como justificativa o fato de cada usuário saber como é o estilo de seus artigos mas que depois mudou todo o meu artigo sobre Liberdade retirando as seções e colocando um aviso de que o artigo precisa da MALDITA pornografia, o Mgs só não discorda dele porque tem medo de que ele abandone o site, mas eu sei muito bem que Mgs é contra o que ele está fazendo.

O resto sobre "cópia da Desciclopédia" e talz eu não entendi bulhufas.

Cquote1.png Eu já havia te elogiado pelo trabalho na MP mas você botou tudo a perder com essa mania de incomodar os outros. Cquote2.png


Incomodar??? HAHAHAHAHA, então quer dizer que manifestar opniões, ser contra o que sysops de determinadas wikis fazem ou falam é incomodar os outros???

Cquote1.png O meu projeto não é uma cópia da Desciclopédia... mas não, sempre tem um idiota que me compara com vocês e me tira do sério. Cquote2.png


Todos nós pensamos dessa forma, mas tem sempre um descíclope pra dizer que nossos projetos são uma cópia da Desciclopédia. Eu acho que nenhum dos projetos é cópia, você acha que só o seu não é cópia, o Cthulhu acha que a WM é cópia de todos, tudo bem, isso vai na percepção e opnião de cada um, nenhuma de nossas afirmações são 100% fatos.

Cquote1.png A DG não tem nada a ver com os outros projetos brasileiros, com a exceção da própria Desciclopédia pois esse é seu escopo. Cquote2.png


Sim, porque afinal, não há nenhuma tradução de artigos da MP, WN ou WM lá.

Cquote1.png Não me venham com essa palhaçada que manipulei o forum daquele jeito. Cquote2.png


Se quer que acreditemos que não manipulastes algum forum, simplesmente apresente provas e afirmações concretas do que está falando.

Cquote1.png A Llwy só votou porque o Pixin (RadU) votou com a mera desculpa que ele é administrador daquela merda da Daemonica, um sysop inativo como eu também sou por lá. E eu sei que isso não é verdade, e não podia deixar a Llwy concordar com esse voto por esse motivo. Cquote2.png


RadU me mostrou um print que prova que ele é admin da Daemonica sim, no chat do face ele me apresentou vários motivos para concordar com o fim da daemonica. E deixe que Llwy concorde pelo motivo que ele quiser, oras.

Cquote1.png E também sabia do fato dele ter vandalizado o antigo projeto mesmo que fosse de protesto. Ah, tá a minha memória é curta mesmo... <ironia>eu bem sei que os desciclopes vandalizavam a Malucopédia por protesto e que o Helder falava que eles combinavam horário!?!</ironia> No final das contas, Llwy retirou o voto ao perceber edições ao descobrir edições de antes do tempo da Alicia. Cquote2.png


Isso você discute com RadU e Llwy, eu não tenho nada a ver com isto.

Cquote1.png Cthulhu tá fazendo um ótimo trabalho na Wikinet e MGS não se queixa dele. Cquote2.png


Mentira!!! O trabalho de Cthulhu é um lixo, além dele escrever aquelas porcarias de artigos dele, ele ainda estraga os artigos dos outros, como está fazendo com o meu artigo sobre Liberdade e fez com o artigo do RadU sobre Deep Web. E, claro, não posso deixar de citar o fato dele estar ocultando TODAS as minhas edições, quer que eu fique quieto quanto a isso?? Quer que eu concorde com isto??? NUNCA. Se eu por acaso algum dia encontrar Cthulhu pessoalmente eu vou quebrar a cara daquele punheteiro desgraçado.

Cquote1.png Ainda que os dois tenham opiniões diversas de como administrar o site eles se entendem. Cquote2.png


Vai acreditando...

Cquote1.png Desde o início, tenho tentado manter a conversa neste forum em inglês para que todos possam entender ao mesmo nível. Já imaginou se todos resolvessem apenas postar em sua língua nativa? Com o forum indo pro buraco que nem aquele que você criou? Cquote2.png


Quem levou o forum ao buraco foi você e o Cthulhu. Eu não falo muito bem inglês. Além do mais, mesmo que eu tenha dito que aquele meu forum era para toda a Uncyclomedia, você mudou o forum para um que fosse apenas para os projetos brasileiros. E mesmo assim o tópico foi pro buraco. Ou seja, o idioma não teve absolutamente NADA a ver com ele ter ido pro buraco.

Enfim, acho melhor você pensar um pouco antes de falar merda. Eu nunca tive nada contra você ou a Desgalipedia, e agradeço pelo elogio a respeito do meu trabalho na Malucopédia (que por sinal está sendo uma "descthulhuzação"), mas eu acho que você anda muito irritada e abusada, desculpe, mas essa é minha opnião.--Jacksonhead.jpg Renan Jackson It don't matter if you're black or white Who's Bad? 20:50, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Continuando...

Estou reabrindo essa discussão pra ver até onde vai. Mas já aviso que não mudarei nenhum ponto o meu argumento. Uma outra coisa, não se pode redirecionar páginas especiais em um site configurado em inglês. Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,347 preppieditsRhubella.jpg 01:46, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Não sou sysop, não poderia eliminar. É que eu não sabia disto, pois pode redirecionar páginas especiais em um site configurado em português, não sabia que em inglês era diferente--      Look atmy deeds Renan Jackson Flag of the USA.svg - 02:02, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
O grande problema é vocês acreditarem que aqui é a Desciclopédia ou outro site brasileiro e fazerem o que querem. ¬¬ Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,347 preppieditsRhubella.jpg 02:27, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
Não pago uma internet cara pra cacete de má qualidade pra ler isto--      Look atmy deeds Renan Jackson Flag of the USA.svg - 02:45, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
Somos nós dois mas... é necessário.
Não fiz isso para lhe agradar. Eu não gosto de longas discussões em minha discussão. Mas voltando ao ponto. Eu te entendo o seu ponto de vista entretanto esse é um problema interno da Wikinet e ele não pode ser tratado no mesmo assunto ou peso da situação da Alicia. Se você realmente deseja falar sobre isso acho melhor abrir um forum, mas sem essa de acusar ou pedir a saída desse ou daquele sysop. O grande problema é que você causa confusão por onde passa e fica díficil eu me tornar neutra a esses assuntos. Se realmente deseja que a comunidade pense a respeito e eu não digo pra que tome algumas aulas de inglês é tente traduzir os sues argumentos para que outros possam compreender esse seu ponto de vista. Pois assim do jeito que está fica díficil, apenas eu posso compreender e assim fica problemátic a situação.
Você sabe muito bem como ficou aquele forum que criou como terminou, você me acusa que manipulei o forum mas se esquece da pequena parte de que Cartoonist lhe compreendeu mal e Llwy mal tentou entrar no tema e eu fiquei sozinha servindo de juíz. Já é o terceiro forum que faço esse papel de vilã da história. É só isso que lhe peço. Aqui na UnMeta as coisas tem que ser levadas seriamente. E sobre o UJ, está bom; mas você também se esquece que eles querem acabar com essa má fama site de paneleiros. É assim que você quer ser levado a sério? Então por favor. Eu vou criar um novo forum e você tente apenas fazer questionamentos sobre a administração de Cthulhu. Mas já deixo o aviso de que aconteceram outras conversas sobre isso na UnMeta e isso não chegou a concenso e eu não creio que isso terá resultado positivo. Mas posso ao menos aceitar que você tente ser ouvido. E por favor sem ataques e no idioma que outros usuários possam entender o problema e eu não fique isolada, ok? Rhubella beach.jpgRhubella Marie, the rat sockpreppie 2,347 preppieditsRhubella.jpg 09:35, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
Nunca pedi saída de sysop, apenas pedi que os sysops em questão melhorassem sua conduta. Eu causo confusão por onde passo??? Isso é porque eu sou sincero, não sou duas caras, e o meu objetivo nunca é causar confusão ou fazer flamewar, mas se para o meu objetivo ser alcançado eu precisar fazer essas coisas, aí eu faço. Como todo bom direitista, eu sou determinado.
Não vou tomar aula de inglês só pra discutir em um forum. Eu tento traduzir os argumentos que eu considero que os gringos precisem entender da forma que posso, fico 15 minutos só revisando a tradução, se não fica bom, fazer o quê, né??? Culpe os ambiciosos da Torre de Babel.
O assunto daquele forum acabou se desviando por causa do Cthulhu, que já chegou falando merda, e depois, você já ficou irritada e piorou tudo, não acho que na hora tenha sido essa sua intenção, mas aquele forum foi para o buraco por causa de você e do Cthulhu. Cartoonist me compreendeu mal, mas depois eu expliquei tudo a ele, ele não respondeu novamente então posso deduzir que ele compreendeu. Se aqui na UnMeta as coisas tem que ser levadas seriamente, porque você ironizou naquele meu comentário sobre o rollback, que é um problema sério que aparece de vez em quando na Uncyclomedia Foundation??? O que vale pra mim, vale pra você e vice-versa.
Quanto ao UJ, eles querem acabar com a má-fama, mas nada garante que ainda não haja panelinhas por lá, não sei, pode ser que tenha, pode ser que não tenha. Eu não vou acreditar em ninguém, nem em quem afirma que tem e nem em quem afirma que não tem, sou cético.
Quanto ao forum, eu já te disse: não dá pra ter uma conversa íntegra sobre Cthulhu, ele sempre solta a mesma: "pornografia é ótimo, você é doente, eu tô certo, você tá errado, você tem que ser banido, a Wikimerda só tem copicola, mimimi, mimimi, blé". Como quer que ele (e alguém que o defende, no caso, você) desse jeito??? Só se eu fosse muito retardado, mas retardado tipo Loucocô (Dr. Pepper).
Mas eu admirei 100% o fato de você ter sido educada nesse comentário, eu não tinha visto, então, acho que anulo algumas coisas que disse lá nos foruns sobre Cthulhu e sobre seu desysop.
Espero que todos os seus comentários sejam com essa educação--      Look atmy deeds Renan Jackson Flag of the USA.svg - 19:01, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Redefining Dæmonica's concept

I have just installed Llwy-ar-lawr as the new bureaucrat on this wiki. If somebody else has plans with it, discuss it with him. Initially it should have been intended as a parody on Encyclopædia Dramatica, but you may discontinue that idea | Cartoonist | Spit it out (talk) | E-mail | UnMeta | 23:18, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

What

was all that weird vandalism by Kate about? Llwy ar lawrlogimalpedie:en:be:ga:la:ru:sco: 00:55, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

At least your troll is not vandalizing Daemonica. Cthulhu.fhtagn (talk) 20:31, 20 February 2014 (UTC)